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Originally Posted by ferrets_bueller
I don't dispute the fact that Elizabeth Warren is so far a superior being to Donald Trump that it is somewhat unfair to lump them in the same basket. Nonetheless, there is a symmetry here.
Warren asserts a fact. The fact is that she asserts a particular heritage.The veracity of that fact is, 100%, within her power to demonstrate and reveal. She has declined to do so. Under the evidence case of The Chimney Sweeper's Jewel, Armory v Delamirie [1722] EWHC J94, (1722) 1 Strange 505, evidence under the exclusive power of a party, which goes unproduced, is construed against that party. Until she produces the evidence, she cannot claim that heritage.
If Warren is utterly convinced of her Indian heritage, she should proffer the proposal I made, and back it up. |
Uh...this isn't a court proceeding. She doesn't have to prove a fucking thing to you. If you came up to me and said, "You're not black," it's not on me to prove that I am. Fuck outta here with that.
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Originally Posted by ferrets_bueller
I part company with you about whether Ms. Warren's status as an Indian is irrelevant. I do believe she used that to her advantage early in her career. If she is not what she claims to be should anger (1) everyone and (2) particularly, people who have been discriminated against because of that heritage. In my view she doesn't get a pass on that. It is a form of, but worse than, resume padding. If she has lied about this you can overlook it if you wish. Many good people have done worse. Sure.
I suspect you would agree that one should not, for example, claim entitlement to a scholarship set aside for African -Americans, or veterans, or the descendants of Holocaust victims, unless your heritage gives you the basis to claim the scholarship. She is not quite that blatant, but she's on the spectrum, and I don't care for it.
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Wait a second. I'm no longer sure what you're claiming she did, because the analogy you draw in that last paragraph (especially the Holocaust one) is intentionally misleading and straying into the offensive.
From Snopes:
The legitimacy of Warren’s claims to Native American heritage has certainly been challenged by many critics, and it is true that while Warren was at U. Penn. Law School she put herself on the “Minority Law Teacher” list as Native American) in the faculty directory of the Association of American Law Schools, and that Harvard Law School at one time promoted Warren as a Native American faculty member. But specific evidence that she gained her position at Harvard (at least in part) through her claims to Native American heritage is lacking. Warren denied applying for special consideration as a person of Native American heritage during her career, and when the matter was examined in 2012 in response to Brown’s claims, people with whom Warren had worked similarly denied her ancestral background’s factoring into the professional opportunities afforded her:
The former chairman of the American Association of Law Schools, David Bernstein, told the Herald that the group’s directory once served as a tip sheet for administrators. “In the old days before the Internet, you’d pull out the AALS directory and look up people,” he said. “There are schools that, if they were looking for a minority faculty member, would go to that list and might say, ‘I didn’t know Elizabeth Warren was a minority.' ”Warren said she didn’t know Harvard had used her heritage as proof of diversity until reading about the issue in the news, according to a Herald report. She also denied that she ever tried to gain a professional advantage through her lineage.
Warren responded she was recruited for the positions and did not “apply” for them; and for the most part, her record did not indicate any identification as part of a minority group:
The Globe obtained a portion of Warren’s application to Rutgers, which asks if prospective students want to apply for admission under the school’s Program for Minority Group Students. Warren answered “no.” For her employment documents at the University of Texas, Warren indicated that she was “white.”
But Penn’s 2005 Minority Equity Report identified her as the recipient of a 1994 faculty award, listing her name in bold to signify that she was a minority.
The Herald has twice quoted Charles Fried, the head of the Harvard appointing committee that recommended Warren for her position in 1995, saying that the Democratic candidate’s heritage didn’t come up during the course of her hiring. “It simply played no role in the appointments process,” he said. “It was not mentioned and I didn’t mention it to the faculty.”
The Herald later quoted Fried, a former U.S. Solicitor General under President Ronald Reagan, saying, “I can state categorically that the subject of her Native American ancestry never once was mentioned.”
https://www.snopes.com/politics/politicians/warren.asp
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So what's your issue? If anything, it sounds to me like her family either had Native American blood or she was told it did. If you're going to imply that she completely made up a connection to gain an advantage to get a job at Harvard, take your own medicine and prove it. But this shit about her having to take a DNA test to satisfy people who don't believe her is fucking ridiculous. Were you on the fence as to Obama until he actually produced his long form birth certificate too?
Non-issue. Political garbage.
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