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Old 06-06-2018, 12:45 PM   #1122
sebastian_dangerfield
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Re: I'm hoping...

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Republicans have made a decision to turn to populism. It's not something "we" did.
Bullshit. We enabled it. If we'd not ignored the Trumpkins, there wouldn't be Trumpkins.

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I went to a high-school graduation last night and one of the speakers pointed out that Marie Antoinette (who was Austrian) did not say, let them eat cake, a myth that appeared about fifty years later. So that eighteen-year-old is a step ahead of you.
Don't be a tool. The quote is associated with the French revolution, and I attributed it generally. I did not cite Antoinette as the source.

The French ignored the angered masses. The Romans gave them circuses.

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Your comparison of Republicans/Democrats to the French aristocracy/Romans is dumb, and sheds no light on either.
I'm no Niall Ferguson or David McCullough, so I'm not getting in the weeds with you, where you'll pick some tiny misquote and hold it up as rebuttal (by the way, stop doing that). But as analogues for the proposition one side says "Fuck the rabble" and the other says, "Placate the rabble," while neither does anything substantive to fix the rabble's problems, France and Rome work quite nicely.

(Cue GGG commenting on Ferguson here. Never forget to shoot the messenger!)

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Saying that both sides lie is, when the White House Press Secretary lies from the podium, not a bold truth but a lazy way to avoid coming to terms with who is lying about what. As is saying that neither side has a "useful solution".
What's mutually exclusive in these statements, both of which I've said:

"The GOP lies more, and in a more loathsome manner."

"Both sides lie."

What's the Democrats' solution to the problems that gave rose to this populism? Job retraining? Moar education!!! A European welfare state? They have no real answers. None. They have band aids... for stage 3 melanoma.
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