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The progressives of the moment are very much against this sort of thinking. Hell, look at the war raging over free speech.
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Please stop it. There is no war over free speech. If you're going to take the debates occurring on campuses of fairly liberal schools as a war, then you're not a serious person. The Bill Mahers of the world who have been personally butt-hurt for staying stupid shit and facing pushback have inflated this issue so far beyond what it is that they seem ridiculous constantly talking about it.
If you're trying to drag in instances when people say awful racist shit and have their shows taken away or their advertisers boycotted, as you've probably guessed, I'm not your guy.
And as you already know,
none of that is a First Amendment issue.
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And due process has gone out the window. If you're simply accused of a #metoo offense, you must Go Away Forever.
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As you already know, this is not a Due Process issue.
The instances of #metoo accusations that have resulted in people having to go away forever that are based on nothing do not exist. If you want to debate over whether or not certain instances of harassment warrant a career death sentence, do it. We've done it here. But that blanket statement is typical anti-pc bullshit in which some asshole tries to conflate examples of people judging minor instances with actual crazy offensive shit so that they can dismiss it all. You're better than that. (I think.)
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These people very much want their thinking enshrined in not only laws, but zero tolerance "social policing."
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Just fucking stop it. What are you talking about? If you're talking about the fringe and what they want and acting like this somehow represents everyone on the left and an actual push for zero tolerance laws, you are either being intentionally misleading to try to feed your false equivalency or you're an idiot.
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Originally Posted by sebastian_dangerfield
And alongside them are the Cass Sunsteins of the world ("we must nudge the proles to do what's best for them") and the Ezekial Emmanuels ("let me tell you how health care is best delivered to the masses").
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This example is so ridiculous, I'm not sure why you included it.
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I find the smart arguments from the Left compelling because they are backed up with data. Most crumble years later as a result of the law of unintended consequences and leave an even worse mess than before, but some actually work (Social Security).
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This is so overwhelmingly broad that it amounts to utter nonsense.
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But what we've got right now isn't a simple argument for tolerance versus intolerance. What we've got is an argument of "my preferred world" versus "your preferred world."
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This is total bullshit. What we have now is a group of people asking to be treated with respect on one side and a group of people who feel threatened and superior on the other who don't want to be bothered giving that respect and creating bullshit false equivalence arguments.
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Originally Posted by sebastian_dangerfield
You stated elsewhere that "this country is done." I agree. This country was done long ago, when people forgot to mind their own business and started thinking it was not only okay but justified to tell their neighbors how they ought to conduct themselves in consensual matters.
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Pure garbage. This country was done when we instituted slavery, wrote all of our laws to protect it, then wrote all of our laws to protect Jim Crow, and then fought in every possible way against any civil rights. That resulted in assholes moving away and bubbling themselves off so that they wouldn't have to interact with people who aren't like them, which carried over into whole news channels and sources which feed the fears that isolation (and the legacy of slavery) created. The fact that capitalism is completely unchecked combined with the existing reality that white people own everything (including the laws, the lawmakers, and the fact finders and courts) and have the power to essentially act with impunity is why things are the way they are. You can add to that male and heterosexual power dynamics.
What we are experiencing now is the extreme pushback of white people realizing that they are no longer supreme in the way they thought they were. They are doing everything they possibly can to hold on to their power, including, taking away people's ability to vote, packing the courts with assholes who support them retaining their power, legislating so blatantly in favor of themselves that it's comical, policing in a way that favors white people's tender sensibilities such that non-whites face death based on white fears, etc.
Whatever. Why am I even writing this?
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