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Old 08-07-2018, 04:58 PM   #2126
Tyrone Slothrop
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Re: We are all Slave now.

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Originally Posted by sebastian_dangerfield View Post
Editing to craft an ideological narrative is not editing. This was once called "editorializing."

If you edit to present the facts in a manner that suits your political views, you've editorialized.

That it also happens randomly is immaterial. I'm not talking about benign selection or quirks of timing. I'm talking about intentionally editing facts to create a story that attempts to put a certain conclusion in the viewers' minds.
I can only respond to what you have posted, not to the way that you shift your views in the next post. You accused MSNBC of being selective and of pushing narrative, two things that are inherent in reporting the news, but not of being ideological.

Reporters love a simple narrative, because they must select a few facts from all of the stuff that is happening and then turn into into a short story that will grab audience attention. Trying doing that without a strong narrative thrust. That's one reason that reporters love a good horse race.

You are maybe implying that MSNBC and Fox News are essentially alike in pushing an ideological narrative. If so, that's nuts. First, and tangentially, we have seen in recent years that Fox is willing to abandon ideas and positions to carry water for the conservative movement, which lately means that it basically serves Trump.

But setting that aside, the idea that mainstream institutions and their conservative alternatives are somehow flip sides of the same coin is an idea you love and is fundamentally wrong, as I said here, which you may have missed in today's back and forth. That doesn't mean that MSNBC is neutral. It means we have mainstream institutions, with their associated self-interests and biases, and we have minority conservative alternatives, formed in reaction to and out of grievance with the mainstream, with their own self-interests and biases. If you want to call the mainstream institutions "ideological," let's not get into a semantic discussion about what the word means (because that would be censoring me, bro) -- just admit that Fox and MSNBC are very different in significantly important ways, per my earlier post.
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