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Old 08-09-2018, 02:38 PM   #2252
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Re: icymi above

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I'm saying a scientific study assessing in what ways an oppressed group's actions contribute to that group's disadvantaged circumstances can be performed.
I'm with Ty in thinking that this isn't even hypothetically possible, but more importantly, why? What are we going to learn? "Oh, it turns out you're responsible for your own oppression, so gtfo?"

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But one can test whether over time, a group's own actions have contributed to its current disadvantages.
I should be directing you to go read TM again, but to restate, how do you divorce a "group's own actions" (whatever that means) from the context in which they acted?

And even if it was possible, how is "black people smoke 17% more weed than would be expected as a reaction to systemic oppression" useful information? Would it allow us to stop caring about the systemic oppression? No. (Although that's Murray's goal)

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Gypsies
Just to keep up my role as PC Police, Roma and Sinti, people.

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in Europe today suffer certain disadvantages, some of those would accrue from Nazi persecution, others would not.
As with most (all?) ethnic prejudice in Europe, the Nazis were/are not alone in discriminating against Roma and Sinti people, they just took it a lot farther.
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