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It's a mitigating circumstance.
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I think sometimes you forget that this website is set up in such a way that we can see what you said just one post before! If you say, "The suggestion that she gets a pass because Harvey abused her is not without some merit," and I say, "No it's not." A response that says it's a mitigating circumstance is something entirely different.
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No. I'm citing facts. Are you setting up a conversation where we largely agree so you can argue with me?
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Jesus, you're so full of shit.
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I'm not sayin' he's lucky... But I'm just saying if I were there (and I've slept with women many years my senior), he's not the most unlucky boy in the world...
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That's exactly what you're saying. You just said it again.
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It's not a theme. It's half observation, half joke.
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No it's not. It is a feature of our society that boys, even young ones, should be focused on conquests. Mind you, I am as guilty as anyone else, so I am not targeting you specifically. As recently as last year I would have said that the kid was lucky as fuck. But the reality is that boys who are used for sex by adults are abused and are robbed of a meaningful, loving relationship, and a healthy (initial) view of sex.
Think back to the few dudes you knew in junior high who managed to have sex with women. Tell me they weren't or didn't end up fucked up. My group of friends thought they were gods when they were really just screwed up kids who were being taken advantage of.
Bennett (the guy she abused) characterizes the interaction as, "trauma." Argento was allegedly receiving nudes of this guy when he was fucking 12. The fact that a grown ass woman (32 at that point) can receive nude photos of a confused, young boy, not inform his parents or even tell him that they are inappropriate and to stop, cultivate that relationship, and then fuck him when he's 17 and she's 37 shows you that she is completely screwed up.
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I don't think this precludes young men from coming forward. I think they don't come forward because they shrug it off.
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Sometimes I am floored by how dense you are. They shrug it off because they are conditioned to shrug it off. Do you understand what I'm saying now?
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I know a few guys who slept with the same teacher in high school. It's a dirty inside joke now. They won't discuss it... but very drunk, they'll sheepishly joke about it.
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Re-read what you just wrote. You know people who were abused by an adult and who don't talk about it, but will reluctantly joke about it when they're really fucking drunk. Do you think that might be because we all pressure them to feel lucky about it and that maybe they think about it differently? Holy shit.
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If I need to explain why a 110 lb actress sleeping with a 150 lb boy is different from a 200 lb high school lineman forcing himself on a 110 lb cheerleader, we've gone into the Bizarro Universe.
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You need to explain why you've chosen to characterize the sexual interaction with an athlete as forcible rape and not something consensual, because what you just did was really, really fucking weird.
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