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No it's not. It is a feature of our society that boys, even young ones, should be focused on conquests. Mind you, I am as guilty as anyone else, so I am not targeting you specifically. As recently as last year I would have said that the kid was lucky as fuck. But the reality is that boys who are used for sex by adults are abused and are robbed of a meaningful, loving relationship, and a healthy (initial) view of sex.
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You ever see Louis C.K.'s
"Of course... but maybe" bit? My comment is offered with the same ironic context. (Adder, please don't take a shot at C.K. We're adults. We can separate art from the artist.)
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Think back to the few dudes you knew in junior high who managed to have sex with women. Tell me they weren't or didn't end up fucked up. My group of friends thought they were gods when they were really just screwed up kids who were being taken advantage of.
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I agree with that. But 17 isn't Junior High. That's sophomore year in HS. I'd already had sex by then. So had half of my friends. Two observations on that:
1. Yes, a lot of people having sex early wind up screwed up. But not because they had sex early. Because they came from screwed up backgrounds. Correlation, not causation.
2. Your first time's always anti-climactic, npi. It's fun, you're psyched, you're definitely doing it again and as often as possible. But it's also a "That's all there is to it?" moment.
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Bennett (the guy she abused) characterizes the interaction as, "trauma." Argento was allegedly receiving nudes of this guy when he was fucking 12. The fact that a grown ass woman (32 at that point) can receive nude photos of a confused, young boy, not inform his parents or even tell him that they are inappropriate and to stop, cultivate that relationship, and then fuck him when he's 17 and she's 37 shows you that she is completely screwed up.
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Those additional facts make the story a lot more seedy. And I never said she wasn't screwed up. I said it could be argued she deserved a pass. I did not state that this "pass" could be partial. I believe it can be. I believe if she was abused, her punishment should take that into account. I base this on studies I've read linking childhood abuse to proclivity to abuse as an adult.
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Sometimes I am floored by how dense you are. They shrug it off because they are conditioned to shrug it off. Do you understand what I'm saying now?
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I understand what you're saying and do not think it applies.
They shrug it off sober because they think they'll be seen as seedy. Drunk, they'll laugh about it. I've saw a female friend bust one guy's ass about it just last year and he laughed and responded "sshhhh..."
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Re-read what you just wrote. You know people who were abused by an adult and who don't talk about it, but will reluctantly joke about it when they're really fucking drunk. Do you think that might be because we all pressure them to feel lucky about it and that maybe they think about it differently? Holy shit.
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These cats really do not care. I mean, seriously. But I hear your point. YMMV.
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You need to explain why you've chosen to characterize the sexual interaction with an athlete as forcible rape and not something consensual, because what you just did was really, really fucking weird.
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I was responding to this line from you:
I wouldn't be surprised if they weren't often completely screwed up. It's either abuse or it's not. We don't say, "That girl shouldn't complain. The dude who took advantage of her is an athlete!"
You were the one raising the analogy of an athlete taking advantage of a girl. Is there a way to consensually take advantage of someone? I was just following the analogy and noting why, physically, it's a lot different than the Argento situation.
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