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Originally Posted by sebastian_dangerfield
You have this reversed. Sometimes it is unintentional. Most of the time it is intentional. At its inception, it is always intentional. One makes a decision to be for a view or against another.
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I wonder if you think that stating something so definitively makes it true somehow. I'm here to tell you that it does not. What you just said is absolute nonsense.
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Originally Posted by sebastian_dangerfield
Journalists and authors debate bias bitterly. One argument often made is that unbiased journalism is impossible, as one's views necessarily bleed into one's work. This is somewhat in line with your argument that bias is unintentional. But I find that unavailing because, if a journalist is doing his job, which is to present facts as objectively as possible, he should be working against that bias and scrubbing even the unintentional appearance of it from his text. Failure to do so betrays a decision to allow the bias to stand -- to "get one's view out there."
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Do you even know what the terms "unconscious bias" or "implicit bias" even mean? It is true that people (even journalists) work to be aware of and understand these types of biases that everyone holds. But if you cannot see your bias, you cannot "scrub even unintentional appearances of it," you numbskull.
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Originally Posted by sebastian_dangerfield
It's quite easy to avoid the use of a loaded word like "inflated." All one needs write is "Trump stated that the Saudi relationship involves hundreds of billions of dollars. Other sources quote the amount at issue at a 50 billion dollars."
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I think Ty has done a good job of informing you of how the word "inflated," actually works. It is an English word that has an actual definition which was used correctly in the context of the article. Your read of why it is "loaded" is based on the fact that people take issue when someone points out that Trump is lying. Pointing that out is not bias if it is true.
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Is it the journalist's job to delegitimize? Or is it his job to report?
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Pointing out a clear falsity is not delegitimizing. It is reporting a fact using a clearly descriptive word. "Inflate," means to "increase (something) by a large or excessive amount." It is absolutely appropriate to use this word when Trump increased the amount at issue by an excessive amount. If the journalist had written those words, you would have most assuredly taken issue with the word, "excessive," because you're you.
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I'm not conflating them. Ty is doing so.
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Bullshit. You can't say, "This board may live in a post-intent world" and then act like it's Ty who is the one arguing that we have abandoned the concept of intent and replaced it with impact.
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Originally Posted by sebastian_dangerfield
He is suggesting that because the biased media stories about Trump have the unintended effect of helping Trump, it cannot be said that the media which produces such stories is biased against Trump. This is flatly idiotic.
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This is not what he said. Are you even reading his posts?
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Originally Posted by sebastian_dangerfield
The correct assessment - the only correct assessment - is that most of the media is biased against Trump, but expressing its bias in a counterproductive fashion that often helps Trump.
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No. This is not the correct assessment. It is a flawed view of what is going on because you believe that any attempt to fact-check the President on his many lies must be written in language devoid of what you have randomly defined as "loaded."
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Originally Posted by sebastian_dangerfield
Again, the bias is intentional. The effect is not. That the effect is something other than what is intended does not undo the reality of what is intended.
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Now you're just throwing words together in what look like sentences, but are actually just gibberish.
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Originally Posted by sebastian_dangerfield
I understand the difference between intent and effect. Those two thoughts coexist quite easily in my head, as I noted.
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Nah, son. You do not and they do not.
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