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Old 01-01-2019, 05:19 PM   #4632
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Re: We are all Slave now.

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Originally Posted by Tyrone Slothrop View Post
No, you don't. Suppose Trump was going to nominate conservatives to the Supreme Court but also strangle Honduran babies on live TV to deter immigration. A conservative doesn't actually "have to" vote for Trump under those circumstances -- she can decide that the Supreme Court is not worth the baby strangling. She can even justify that on conservative principles. So too with the racism.

What you're saying, I think, is that caring about racism is not any part of conservatism, and that conservatives can follow their principles while supporting racists. I'm not sure why you think that's a defense of conservatives or conservatism.
Ezra Klein and David French come close to addressing this point. French's article (last link) adds nicely to the discussion. French would say conservatives don't really consider racism, or don't consider it as important as non-conservatives do. He doesn't apologize for them or criticize them for this, nor does Klein offer any judgment. The interview isn't about solutions or blame as much as it is about identifying the differences between conservative and progressive values. Some excellent exchanges within it.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WjMGq4uzCIc

https://player.fm/series/the-ezra-kl...te-culture-war

https://www.nationalreview.com/2018/...tical-divides/

ETA: Yes, I am listening to Klein now. Having listened to his bit with Harris, I found myself digging into his podcast. He infuriates me at times, but much more often, even when I find myself disagreeing with him, the quality of debate and subject matter make his podcast well worth my time. He picks great issues and excellent guests and asks a lot of "third rail" questions. Good stuff.
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