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Originally Posted by sebastian_dangerfield
Spend some time in flyoverland. There are people who have never had any reason to think about the issue.
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This is funny for a number of reasons. Here are some:
- You think I haven't spent time in flyover land
- You think that people who don't live near racially diverse people are agnostic about race in a country where every single person's status is measure by race
- You don't understand that "not having to think about race" really just means: These people have isolated themselves such that they aren't personally confronted with racial unpleasantness
- You haven't realized that all of the ideas that people who aren't personally exposed to people of color have about people of color is based on ignorance and the definitions of race they're bombarded with
- You think it's possible for people in this country (no matter where they live) to not think about race
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Originally Posted by sebastian_dangerfield
I was highlighting the "miserable choice" scenario people are faced with regarding bigotry using the golf course analogy. People are compelled to compromise principles all the time. It doesn't make them bigots. I've bitten my lip on god only knows how many occasions, as I'm sure many of us have, because business interests dictated it. This includes hearing people make awful bigoted jokes. I'm not a racist for doing so. I was a guy who needed a job, or who couldn't afford to alienate a referral source. In the same vein, a guy who really truly believes that Hillary was an existential threat on issues he deemed important was left with a Hobson's choice of having to vote for Trump. He can't be reflexively labeled a racist. His situation is much more complex than that.
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Nah. You chose an example of something that is as innocuous as possible because you don't really want to confront the issue. Someone said a racist joke around you and you didn't respond, which doesn't make you racist? It's a stupid example.
I don't care what someone's choices are or how much they want a President who is itching for a stupid trade war. If they vote for someone who is racist and who they
knew was racist when they ran (and who ran almost exclusively on racism) and that person does racist things because that voter put them in office, that voter owns those racist things.
The fact that you
always err on the side of, "that farmer voted for Trump despite his racism" instead of
because of his racism given Trump's rhetoric, the Republican Party's history with race, and the realities in this country (especially after 8 years of the first black man holding the Presidency ever) is astounding. All signs point to that farmer voted for him because that farmer is fucking racist. But you would rather invent any other reason and you have pushed every single one on this board instead. You consistently ignore or shoo away the studies that say that the white working class voted for Trump because of a loss of status because you need smoking gun proof. And you consistently give credence to every single
other theory of why he won without requiring smoking gun proof of any of it.
Racism is the default in this country. You seem to think it's the other way around. Burden of proof, given our history and current racial realities, is for one to prove race wasn't the driving factor. You squeeze your eyes closed as tight as you can and say, "prove it beyond any inkling of doubt."
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