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Old 03-26-2019, 04:13 PM   #863
ThurgreedMarshall
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Re: Doesn’t Matter Who Wins the K Race; We’re All the Same

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Originally Posted by sebastian_dangerfield View Post
The media created the story that Trump was certainly guilty of collusion, and guilty as hell. It convicted in advance.
I had to skip a lot of this bullshit, but I can't let this one go. What the fuck does this mean?

First, the media is not a monolithic entity acting in concert. Each newsroom reported tons of evidence of everyone in his sphere meeting with Russia, asking for information (including him), and connecting the dots. But this "the media is guilty of __________" (other than trying to sell ad space) is for weak fucking minds.

Second, the Mueller report (according to fucking Barr) declined to bring additional indictments for lack of evidence that would reach the threshold of beyond a reasonable doubt. And, as it relates to the President, I think Mueller is deferring to Congress to determine whether there was collusion that amounts to meeting the lower high crime and misdemeanor threshold.

There is no world in which the evidence we have at this very moment does not demonstrate that there was collusion. I can list it all, but what's the fucking point? The questions are:

Is it a crime?
Is it a high crime and/or misdemeanor?
Is it a crime for which Mueller has evidence beyond a reasonable doubt or does he have enough evidence that a high crime and misdemeanor has been committed?
If not (or even, if so when it comes to the President), who is the right body to take the next step(s)?

If you get, "No collusion" out of all of that, you are being played (and I think you are willingly getting played).

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Originally Posted by sebastian_dangerfield View Post
Certainly you understand the difference between sensationalizing a story (say as the media did the OJ trial, covering every facet of the case in obscene detail) and deciding in advance and telling the public in advance what the result of an investigation was all but assuredly going to be.
Covering every facet of this case is literally what the media is there for. If you're going to conflate talking heads with all of the media, then you truly do have a weak fucking mind. And whenever there was a talking head that drew this conclusion based on the existing evidence, there was always someone from the other side to draw the exact opposite conclusion.

The fact that Barr and the entire Republican Party can succeed in pulling you this far in the opposite direction of what your eyes can actually see, while trying to bury the actual fucking report is mesmerizingly amazing. They took the entire report and boiled it down to two conclusions they want cemented before the thing leaks and you are their willing fucking tool, tool.

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