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Old 07-03-2019, 11:18 AM   #11
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Originally Posted by Hank Chinaski View Post
I’m sure lots of undocumented have some means. But single payer isn’t ACA. So when you say we will give the undocumented HC, I don’t get how their funds matter. There is a big pool of jobs that do not collect or pay taxes. The employers are bad there, but undocumented do not pay taxes in many jobs (my kids worked jobs like that not hating on immigrants, but the jobs they have are likely mostly under radar).

Mix on top the current memes of gazillions of This people held at the border. Who do you think the average American sees as the ones getting the free HC? Bad optics the other night. Admit it.
When a question is asked of all the candidates, the plans at issue will range from single payor to Medicare for all to ACA with some improvement to ACA a bit slimmed down. If it's a Medicare for all plan, you're relying on medicare taxes (and possibly - likely - supplementary plans). Medicare taxes are paid by all, though the underground economy that doesn't report certainly does include many undocumented aliens. If its an ACA style approach, there is a policy which may or may not be subsidized. If it is subsidized, note that the inclusion of a broader set of people in the pool, even at a lower cost, helps control costs for everyone, so it's a dynamic cost model. Single payor can describe either approach, it just has to do with whether there is effective a single insurer, likely but not necessary the government, rather than multiple insurers.

Our nation is undergoing an enormous crisis in compassion and in unity; the "us" versus "them" elements in this discussion disturb me. I spend my life working with immigrants who have built businesses and added to our country, and if they're "them", count me as a "them", too, please.
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