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Originally Posted by ThurgreedMarshall
Dude, you are comparing apples to oranges.
I do not disagree with you that historically, Biden has been largely "enh" as a Presidential candidate. But applying that analysis to this election makes absolutely no sense. Fuck, "gaffs" no longer have the impact they once did. If he gets through the primary (and he will because no matter which other candidate has the loudest fans, the Democratic base is the Democratic base, as Bernie found out in 2016), he crushes Trump.
1. You skip over the fact that working class whites love him. He polls absolutely great with them.
2. Obama chose him for a reason. Yes, we all were energized by Obama who is a fantastic orator. But he put Biden on the ticket to help him with the exact demo that is so important this election.
3. Biden has been unbelievably successful in his state, so it's not like he isn't a successful politician.
4. He's got a great story (son who died) and the legitimacy of serving with and the support of Obama.
5. How can Biden, after he wins the nomination, be any worse of a candidate than Trump? I realize that the press will blow up his silly mistakes and ignore Trump's complete fucking insanity. But come on. You think that Biden putting his foot in his mouth will do worse than a black woman or a gay man with white Christian and/or blue collar voters in key states? Again, all "other" people are voting for their fucking lives. Biden is still polling higher among blacks than any other Dem. Inspiring some dumbass Bernie voters who would have stayed home to pout isn't going to be the difference in this election.
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So far, I haven't seen Biden attract the kind of support around the white working class here that was once owned by, say, Ted Kennedy, or the kind of support among my upstate NY working class family members once held by Clinton. And you know, some of them actually like Buttigieg, I've heard stuff like, yeah, we had a gay guy in my unit in Iraq, he was ok. I think his working class support is actually kind of weak.
His support in the African-American community seems stronger right now.
And, yes, running two bad national campaigns still counts this cycle, because a lot of it is about who you hire, the advice of people in your kitchen cabinet, the depth of loyalty to you. This time he does also have a significant portion of both Obama's and Clinton's teams on board with him, and that should help him out, but don't put all your eggs in his baskets until he gets tested out there some more.
I'm not even talking about Bernie as a possible candidate, let's just bash him until he goes away, the sooner, the better.
