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Old 09-03-2019, 03:59 PM   #3065
Tyrone Slothrop
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Re: Doesn’t Matter Who Wins the K Race; We’re All the Same

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Originally Posted by sebastian_dangerfield View Post
If they're aggravated with what they think is a dishonest media, they will doubt Trump is as awful as the media claims. This makes it easier for them to vote for him over Biden.
This is the whole f*cking point. If they're aggravated with what they think is a dishonest media, they are conservative. Period, end of story. They are not swing voters. They are conservatives who like to pretend that they are swing voters, in the same way that FOX News is a conservative operation that pretends it is fair and balanced.

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Even the least sophisticated Rust Belt voter understands he's a con man. But that's a devil they know.
Hank, this is what I was saying to you.

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When the media is busted - over and over, as it has been - hyperbolizing or shading against Trump, the media looks sneaky. Nobody likes a sneak. And these people in the Rust Belt are huge fans of conspiracy theories. They suspect everything because they've been lied to for decades.
Anyone who buys the basic framing that they are choosing between Trump and the media is not a swing voter. I know you voted for the Libertarian and so you may not have focused on the other options, but "Sneaky Media" is not actually on the ballot.

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Stop with this. The horse died months ago. Both sides are in perpetual states of reaction.
Not in the same way. Conservatism is fundamentally about reaction in a way the liberalism is not. You cannot find liberals with bumper stickers about making conservatives cry. Your both-sideism is blind to this.

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It's not just O'Donnell....
What you initially said, that I reacted to, was specifically about O'Donnell. If your point now is that that wasn't right, I agree.
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