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Originally Posted by Tyrone Slothrop
If an immigrant commits a crime, and Trump it to attack immigrants, certainly some people will say they are choosing Trump over a flawed immigration system. (I think this is much more plausible factually than Larry O'Donnell's reporting affecting the vote.) Even if this happens, it is wrong to say that people are voting for Trump because of the immigrant's crime. They are voting for Trump because that's their decision. Pretending that immigrant (or the reporter) is somehow responsible for those votes takes away the agency and responsibility of those voters. I'm sick and tired of people taking conservative lunacy as a fact of the world, and suggesting that everyone else needs to tiptoe around it and change their behavior so that conservatives don't act like lunatics. They are going to act like lunatics.
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Can you see where this makes you seem a dick?
There must be people that voted for President Obama, yet somehow found Trump better than Clinton. I don’t get that. You don’t get that. T doesn’t get that. But it is true. I’d hope some of those people look at the bigger outrages and decide, enough! Seeing some of the outrages ain’t could cause them to think they shouldn’t worry about the others?
That’s all I’m saying. It doesn’t make me waiver. I actually haven’t read much about him. Once I saw he sent mean crazed tweets at 3 AM, I wrote him off as a possible president. I have my head in the sand.
But I think there may be votes lost by faked stories. Doesn’t mean much as we can’t stop it.
How many votes are at issue? I feel a lot, as I think we have lots of people who know in their heart he is bad but might not want to believe it, but will unless they can lie to themselves it isn’t true.
I feel there may be a lot of such people. You and Thurgreed think there are few. Just not sure why you two have the chops to know that answer. Seems a bit pompous. Hope you are right, don’t misunderstand, just not a fan of you all dismissing arguments because “you know.”
