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[Tyrone Slothrop]

Originally Posted by Hank Chinaski

There must be people that voted for President Obama, yet somehow found Trump better than Clinton. I don’t get that. You don’t get that. T doesn’t get that. But it is true. I’d hope some of those people look at the bigger outrages and decide, enough! Seeing some of the outrages ain’t could cause them to think they shouldn’t worry about the others?

That’s all I’m saying. It doesn’t make me waiver. I actually haven’t read much about him. Once I saw he sent mean crazed tweets at 3 AM, I wrote him off as a possible president. I have my head in the sand.

But I think there may be votes lost by faked stories. Doesn’t mean much as we can’t stop it.

How many votes are at issue? I feel a lot, as I think we have lots of people who know in their heart he is bad but might not want to believe it, but will unless they can lie to themselves it isn’t true.

I feel there may be a lot of such people. You and Thurgreed think there are few. Just not sure why you two have the chops to know that answer. Seems a bit pompous. Hope you are right, don’t misunderstand, just not a fan of you all dismissing arguments because “you know.”

I don't think there are any such people, and Sebby says the least sophisticated Rust Belt voter understands he's a con man. (I assume that by "least sophisticated voter" he means "swingingest swing voter" and if I were you I'd be calling him a dick for that, not me.) If you think there is a non-trivial number of such voters, then you and the rest of us respectfully differ on that. Either way, if those people vote for Trump because someone in the media got a story wrong, that's their choice, not a reporter's fault. Blaming the media for Trump's bullshit, which is what Sebby was doing, is barking up the wrong tree.