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Old 10-15-2019, 03:26 PM   #3912
Tyrone Slothrop
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Re: Doesn’t Matter Who Wins the K Race; We’re All the Same

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Originally Posted by sebastian_dangerfield View Post
You're being dumb. Dumb drives me nuts. If you can't see that Taibbi is right when he says the "Resistance/Left" and the media are playing into Trump's hands, I don't know how you manage to write in English.
Are the "Resistance/Left" and the mainstream media identical in your mind? Of course not. Please try to be clear whom you are blaming for what Trump does.

You complain about my English, but you deploy language like a cluster bomb. You said that if Trump becomes a dictator, his opponents "bear some responsibility." No. They don't. Trump and his supporters bear the responsibility, not the people opposing him, much in the same way that a rapist is "responsible," not the victim who was out late drinking. If you are going to use words that carry moral freight, you have to actually engage with questions of right and wrong, as much as you would prefer to do horserace politics.

Since normative concepts like responsibility are not your cup of tea, you'd rather talk about which tactics will work against Trump. The problem with having this conversation with you is that you insist on pretending that Trump's opposition is monolithic. Trump has a lot of opponents, and not only do they not share a set of common beliefs, they also do not coordinate closely with each other. Notwithstanding your fixation on referring to "the Left" as if naming it makes it so, we are not talking about Leninists here. So it is inevitable that different Trump opponents will try different things, some of which will work better for him. That is a fact of life in a democracy. For example, many of the intelligence sources that Taibbi talks about are almost certainly not even Democrats, let alone of the Left.

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You claim the crazy right is reactive. How do you stop something from reacting?
Exactly. You can't stop them from reacting. When they don't have real things to react to, they make up fake things.

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If this a chicken/egg thing, who cares? I don't know where the crazy started, but I know that:

1. Countering crazy with different crazy isn't usually a strong strategy
2. Feeding the crazy is a really bad strategy
When Gandhi arrives to save us, let me know.

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You're fixated on where it started. You should fixate more on your point about the crazy being reactive, and what's causing it to grow. That's what Taibbi is saying.
What do you think I'm fixated on? Please describe my views to me, as I am unfamiliar with whatever the fuck you are talking about.
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