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Old 10-30-2019, 03:58 PM   #4142
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Re: On Corporate Democrats (Ouch)

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Originally Posted by Tyrone Slothrop View Post
The people he's attacking essentially see things the way TM does, based on what he's said here about Biden. He doesn't love Biden, but fears that there are voters who will vote for Biden and not for someone more progressive like Warren or Sanders, and fears that those voters will be dispositive in key states.
Nice try, but I ain't having any of that.

TM advocates supporting Biden because he wants to see Trump out of office and he thinks Biden is the candidate most likely to defeat Trump, as you note.

The people Nolan cites in his piece, as he explicitly states, are the "Democrats" who are happy to have Biden in the White House, but are appalled at the idea of Warren or Bernie. That's why Nolan states, and he's right, a big number of these "Democrats" will vote for Trump if forced to choose between Trump and Bernie or Warren. These people are effectively "Democrat Lite" tax voters. They're a lot like me, actually - socially liberal, fiscally conservative. Except they're not just afraid of paying more in taxes, but scared that their entire industries (mostly FIRE, HC, and Education) will be upended by Bernie and Warren. Trump is socially awful, and they don't care for that one bit. But Bernie and Liz actually hit them in the long term pocketbook. Bernie and Liz can change the trajectory of these "Democrats"' economic lives.

Don't even try to lump these "Democrats" in with people like TM (or Icky or Hank). Those people just want Trump out of office. If Warren or Bernie could do it, TM, Icky, and Hank would vote for them. But there's a good chance Warren or Bernie would lose to Trump. And do you want to know why, partly? Because a lot of the "Democrats" who'd vote for Biden (or any corporate Democrat) to retain a status quo that fattens their wallets would not only withhold endorsements and votes from Bernie or Warren, but probably also privately, in the the voting booth, pull the lever for Trump. And then lie about how they voted later.
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