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Old 04-10-2020, 10:45 AM   #1129
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Re: Objectively intelligent.

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Originally Posted by sebastian_dangerfield View Post
I've spoken to four different docs who say it does actually work. And these are hardcore Trump haters.

https://nypost.com/2020/04/07/michig...aved-her-life/

If you read the stories saying the proof is weak, you're swallowing a bit of sophistry. The proof is weak when compared to empirical studies done over a longer term. There are no analogues but for frenzied studies done on novel viruses like MERS or SARS. The only apt comparison to the few studies we have would be equally small studies performed on SARS and MERS within the month or two after those diseases emerged. Those studies would be similarly incomplete.

To compare a study done under emergent conditions with a novel virus to studies done over a long period of time is classic apples and oranges.

To a degree, we must rely on "anecdata" in regard to any new treatment offered for Covid-19.

I think some in the media understand that. Some are dumb and don't. The latter are to be ignored, the former loathed.

And all of their arguments are a bit silly. When someone points a gun at your head, you don't get to say, "Wait. I'll need time to run a rigorous assessment of possible reactions to see what my best reply is." You play the best hand you can come up with in the moment.

Logic dictates we throw every drug we have at this thing and explore all options. The malaria drug is showing promise, and its cheap and easy to produce. And please don't sing me a song about how it's killing lupus patients. It's not. That's a facile argument. There's a factory pumping that drug out like mad an hour from my house. The docs I've spoken to about it also say the risk of a heart attack on it, while real, is the size of a rounding error.

I wish Biden had touted the drug. We'd be able to have much more honest conversations about it.
This is not how science works. Anecdotes are not data. The "studies" you're referring to are not studies. They offer at best a hypothesis that needs to be tested.

Logic does not dictate wide-spread use of drugs that haven't been proven safe and effective, especially as there are serious side effects and such off-label use risks depriving people who actually need those drugs from getting them.

What we know if that it should be tested as quickly as we can test it. Anything more is simply wrong. You sound very, very stupid here.
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