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Originally Posted by sebastian_dangerfield
I want to separate the issues. What Hamas did was uniquely reprehensible. I don't think it improves the discussion to note that Bibi enabled this. The focus for the moment should be on what Hamas did. Shifting it allows for consideration of something heinous in a broader context in which the grievousness and severity of it is obscured.
These killings were bloodthirsty in a manner (Manson Family-esque) that sets them apart from all the killings done by both sides previously. For this reason, they need to be examined in a vacuum more than they do within a broader context.
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This is all twaddle. If you can't handle complexity or having more than one thought in your head at a time, then by all means, keep things simple and clear. Also, don't talk about the Middle East with anyone.
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Yes, he enabled Hamas to acquire significant power and was negligent in sustaining vigilant security. Nobody, however, ever guessed they'd then use it to commit something that looks like the country was attacked by a band of Jeffrey Dahmers.
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Oh, come now. A few posts ago you were explaining how everyone in Hamas should be rounded up and executed. Did you only come to that clarity in the last two weeks?
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Looking at it literally might help. Israel is a bad actor in doing what you've cited.
Hamas is a psychotic death cult indistinguishable from Isis in doing what it has done.
Both are bad. One's many orders of magnitude worse, so significantly so that comparison of the badness of the two isn't warranted.
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You have some need to keep equating and comparing them, a need I don't share.
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One of the two combatants has lost its mind, is in the criminally psychotic bucket with Isis.
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I don't think it's true or useful to say that. Hamas is quite rational in its way. Iran too.
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I fully agree that Israel has many sins on its hands here. But it has tried, at least. Every time it would seek to get to a solution however, Arafat would demand a right of return, which he knew was a deal breaker. He did it intentionally, because he didn't really want a solution any more than Bibi or Hamas.
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Yassir Arafat has been dead for almost twenty years. I appreciate your need to dumb things down for moral clarity, but the idea that Israel tried for peace and the Palestinians were the obstacle is too simple even for an episode of West Wing or Madame Secretary.
I get it. You're on Team Israeli, so you are going to absolve Israeli and you want to talk only about how bad Hamas is.
I don't think that is a particularly interesting conversation, and it's not what I mean when I say I support Israel.
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These are all lamentable bad acts. But again, they do not even approach the mental illness and depravity displayed by Hamas last week.
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"Lamentable". But Hamas is worse. I guess "lamentable" is something.
