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Originally posted by Greedy,Greedy,Greedy
You see, this is why the abortion debate is quickly pushed to all or nothing arguments from two sides.
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Yes, I know. That was my point regarding why this debate is between two groups arguing extremes with no middle ground.
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Originally posted by Greedy,Greedy,Greedy
Guess what -- do that, your side loses.
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Abortion will NEVER be outlawed in every state in the US. Maybe in Mississippi If RvW is overturned, but no where else.
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Originally posted by Greedy,Greedy,Greedy
OK, let me give you some positions I feel comfortable with. An embryo is not, in my mind, a human being. A fully developed fetus is. The mother is.
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What is a human being? Note I did not ask you at what point an embryo becomes a human being. I am asking you to DEFINE what you mean when you use the term "human being."
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Originally posted by Greedy,Greedy,Greedy
Somewhere there is a transition.
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Now I am asking you to tell me at what point that transition occurs.
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You absolutists will say at the point of conception, and will lose most people there. Hint: focus the debate elsewhere and you won't.
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But if the absolutists focus the debate elsewhere, they will lose, too. See my point above that abortion will never be outlawed in all 50 states. It's not going to happen.
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Originally posted by Greedy,Greedy,Greedy
Frankly, I'm not ready to tolerate abortion at whim - we protect animals from cruelty, a fetus conceived of voluntarilly by people who just thought the birth control would work or who didn't think at all strikes me as still deserving of some level of protection here.
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I think 20 years ago, people were more likely to tolerate abortion at whim and that the pro-life efforts have changed minds on this point. Not saying that they changed any pro-choice person's mind about first trimester abortions. But I do think that them keeping this issue at the forefront of the political debate has helped to switch many pro-choice people's mantra from "a woman's right to choose" to "safe, legal, and rare." And that's progress.
