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barely_legal
Reality show contestant stalker

Joined: 10 Mar 2003
Posts: 39
Posted: Thu Mar 13, 2003 11:08 am Post subject: Sorority Life

Okay, I got sucked into yet another reality program. And I hate every person on this show. Is that the purpose of the show? After watching the first three episodes, I feel completely vindicated in the choice I made ten years ago (oh god, I'm really getting old) to stay the hell away from sororities.

Can someone who was actually in a sorority and watches this show tell me if this is actually in any way an accurate representation of what they are like, or is it typical blown out of proportion reality tv schlock?

L-P, didn't you post that you were in a sorority? did y'all decorate your doors with colorful posters with your names on them and make your pledges pick up your drunk asses after a night of bar hopping (actually, that was the only cool part -- I need me some bitches, I mean "pledges")
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Pretty_Little_Flower
I am simply a cog in the Lawtalk Machine
Joined: 09 Mar 2003
Posts: 31
Posted: Thu Mar 13, 2003 11:14 am Post subject: Re: The angels wanna wear my red shoes

Not_Bob wrote:
I do not understand the Flower's disdain for Elvis. Maybe one can hear "Alison" too often. Heck, when playing "Born to Run," I skip the title track (and repeat "Thunder Road," but that's a different story). But "Watching the Detectives"? "What's So Funny Bout Peace Love and Understanding"? "Every Day I Write the Book"?

Jesus, Flower, what did you listen to in 1983? Asia?
Asia? Ouch, dude. That's rough. As I have admitted offline, I think Elvis is a talented enough performer, but he just does not do it for me. The tunes you mention do not evoke fond memories. In fact, until reading your post, I had forgotten how much I hate that Every Day I Write the Book song. But, hey, I have listened to a lot of crap in my day. I cringe when going through my CD collection, and I purchased a hell of a lot of terrible music before I ever started listening to CDs.

As to what I was listening to in 1983, I seem to recall that I had pretty much tuned out of contemporary music. At the time, I had a continuing obsession with the Rolling Stones, so they were in heavy rotation. In addition, I was becoming increasingly fanatical about jazz. I think around that time period I was in a particularly pretentious phase of my jazz appreciation when I decided that real jazz fans were listening to free jazz, the more alienating the better. So, I was listening to obscure Ornette Coleman, Eric Dolphy, etc. Check out an Ornette Coleman album called The Empty Foxhole sometime. If you think his saxophone work is out there, that's because you have not heard him on violin. I also began getting into some two tone ska, like the Beat, the Specials, etc., although this may have been more around 1984 or 85. It was not until later in the 80s that I began to discover all the great early hip hop and hardcore that existed in the early 80s.

Are you sorry you asked?
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pursejunkie
What's in a rank?

Joined: 10 Mar 2003
Posts: 60
Location: playing with the dog
Posted: Thu Mar 13, 2003 11:25 am Post subject: Frat Life

Has anyone watched this besides just sorority life? While the girls seem to be basically having fun pledging, the guys are doing all these miserable high-school-jock initiation rituals. Why all the weird macho-yet-homoerotic flirting with metrosexuality? And I count myself really messy, but wouldn't you figure Darwin would kill off at least half the guys living in such gross filth? How do they ever get any--do their girlfriends just drag them over to their own places rather'n wallow at the frat?

Genuinely curious. I went to a women's college where all this stuff was just alien.
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EvenOdds
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Posted: Thu Mar 13, 2003 11:34 am Post subject:

Pretty Little Flower wrote:
I also began getting into some two tone ska, like the Beat, the Specials, etc., although this may have been more around 1984 or 85.
I am so glad to hear someone else mention the Beat. I think you're right with '83 because my (albeit bad) memory was that this was before I was in high school. I also loved Adam & the Ants and later PIL (though this was 84 or 85 because I had a friend who would bring back british music mags and unreleased in the US albums).

For the record, I loved Elvis Costello back in the day and never got the whole Morrissey thing.
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Not_Bob
My inner chick is in my Hermes

Joined: 08 Mar 2003
Posts: 44
Location: Podunkville
Posted: Thu Mar 13, 2003 11:36 am Post subject: Re: The angels wanna wear my red shoes

Not_Bob wrote:
Jesus, Flower, what did you listen to in 1983? Asia?
Pretty_Little_Flower wrote:
Asia? Ouch, dude. That's rough.
I know. I was just throwing them out there as an example of what was on the radio at the time.

Pretty_Little_Flower wrote:
As I have admitted offline, I think Elvis is a talented enough performer, but he just does not do it for me. The tunes you mention do not evoke fond memories. In fact, until reading your post, I had forgotten how much I hate that Every Day I Write the Book song.
Fair enough. I will no longer bug you about it. (But how can you not like a line like "you said you'd stand by me in the middle of chapter 3, but you were up to your old tricks by chapters 4, 5, and 6"?)

Pretty_Little_Flower wrote:
As to what I was listening to in 1983, I seem to recall that I had pretty much tuned out of contemporary music. At the time, I had a continuing obsession with the Rolling Stones, so they were in heavy rotation.
"Corporate rock" was all over the place in Podunkville at the time. Asia, Journey, etc. And I didn't like AC/DC, Judas Priest, or the metal bands that were starting to get some airplay. So, it was the Doors, the Stones and Springsteen for me.

Then the punk rock girl turned me on to Elvis, Depeche Mode, Squeeze, the Pretenders, and Prince's "Controversy." Strong stuff for a boy from Podunkville. None of it available on the radio. Thank God for Martha Quinn and MTV.

Pretty_Little_Flower wrote:
Are you sorry you asked?
Nah. I got no kick against modern jazz. Unless they play it too darn fast.
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bold_n_brazen
I Sure Do Post A Lot

Joined: 10 Mar 2003
Posts: 51
Location: At the Gas n' Sip
Posted: Thu Mar 13, 2003 11:42 am Post subject: Re: Sorority Life

barely_legal wrote:
Can someone who was actually in a sorority and watches this show tell me if this is actually in any way an accurate representation of what they are like, or is it typical blown out of proportion reality tv schlock?

OK. I admit it. I was in a sorority. But I need to clarify that I was in a sorority in the mid-1980's which I believe was an entirely different experience than the sorority experience of today.

My best memories of life in the sorority house include getting so fucked up on mushrooms that I made another sister remove the big coke mirror from the room because I couldn't be sure it was my reflection and not my evil twin's reflection I was seeing, losing my underwear in the FIJI house, dancing naked on the front porch not once but twice the weekend that I graduated, having sex in the first floor telephone booth because my roommate had done the same thing the week before, puking off the roof onto the house mother's car, and other sundry events invloving either booze, drugs, or casual sex.

Nowadays it seems, drugs and alcohol are discouraged by sororities and casual sex doesn't seem to exist on colleg campuses. Why anyone would want to go to college, let alone join a greek letter organization, in today's day and age is a complete mystery to me. (Except for that shit about an education and blah blah blah).

That said, being in a sorority did involved some contruction paper signage on my door for rush, etc. and did involve, from time to time, the blowing up of helium balloons. I did (and ocaisioanlly still do) wear my letters, I can still sing the greek alphabet and several sorority songs at differing levels of "dirtiness". I believe I own a stuffed version of my sorority's mascot and have a sorority sister who still sends me bouquets of our sorority flower for every life event. I can still say my sorority prayer, and when I attend an initiation (which happened quite a lot for a while as I was serving as a grown-up advisor to a local chapter) I still get teary eyed.

But these girls on MTV? First of all, they are skanks. Second of all, no pledges live in a house IRL. Third of all, DZO isn't even a national sorority. Fourth of all, this show exists just so that people who didn't join sororities can feel smug about their choice.

Bn'(humming dirty sorority drinking song in my head now)B
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bold_n_brazen
I Sure Do Post A Lot

Joined: 10 Mar 2003
Posts: 51
Location: At the Gas n' Sip
Posted: Thu Mar 13, 2003 11:50 am Post subject:

EvenOdds wrote:
Pretty Little Flower wrote:
I also began getting into some two tone ska, like the Beat, the Specials, etc., although this may have been more around 1984 or 85.
I am so glad to hear someone else mention the Beat. I think you're right with '83 because my (albeit bad) memory was that this was before I was in high school. I also loved Adam & the Ants and later PIL (though this was 84 or 85 because I had a friend who would bring back british music mags and unreleased in the US albums).

For the record, I loved Elvis Costello back in the day and never got the whole Morrissey thing.
Ooooooh. I liked the Beat too. And Big Audio Dynomite. And Split Enz.

You know who I never "got"? Yaz. That stupid album "Upstair at Erics" that everyone played incessantly my freshman year of college...

As I recall, I was also totally obsessed with The Who in 1984. And the Hooters (but that is probably a Philly thing).

Bn'(and Madonna a little bit...I admit this)B
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soup_sandwich
Just Getting Started

Joined: 10 Mar 2003
Posts: 11
Location: Mid-Atlantic
Posted: Thu Mar 13, 2003 11:57 am Post subject: Re: Robust Puppy's brilliance

ThurgreedMarshall wrote:
robustpuppy wrote:
Lapdog: [Blah, blah, blah - dtb was right and you were wrong about "very memorable". Here's why: blah, blah, blah. Why am I so consumed with this point that I would draft a ten page post about it after midnight? Your guess is as good as mine. I'm sure you have some ideas.]

I will note that you've got yourself a convenient little set up with that “I fully admit to being flawed" shtick. You can just trot it out whenever anybody turns your criticism around on you, and spare yourself the trouble of worrying about any inconsistencies worth addressing (not all of them are, of course). Oh, and the ego. You're not just flawed. You're deeply flawed.
This part of your post was brilliant. It's one of those I'll damn him if he does, damn him if he doesn't responses. Clearly I'm not an authority on anything. But I express my opinions on many things. If I act like I'm an expert on all things and am walking perfection, I have a huge ego. If I admit that I'm full of shit (which most posters already know, you colossal twit), then I have a huge ego.

But you know what? I couldn't care less if you think I have a huge ego, you've already made it all about me by taking so much time posting about me when you should be drinking, fucking, sleeping eating or otherwise living what surely amounts to an empty life. Don't give me that "I'm an insomniac whose SO is out of town, so I figured I would post about some stupid little issue that everyone besides me has read and moved past." If I went home and spent my nights in front of the computer then I could criticize everything. You're right. But I have things to do.

Dtb's (who I mess with often on this board and by email and at lunch) "very memorable" hurt my ears. In the context in which it was used, it sounded horrible. My opinion? No shit. I used it as an example to point out a trend of modifying words that shouldn't be modified. It may have been grammatically correct and I conceded that point on this board and to her when she sent me the email she always sends when I'm being me. That doesn't change the fact that I didn't like it.

So. What's up your tight little asshole? Well, I think you need more attention than me. The funny thing is, you want it from me. (Uh, oh. All about me again?)

ThurgreedMarshall
This post is sweet. It's got everything. All kinds of rants/attacks.

There's the "I don't care what you think, I'm entitled to my opinion".

There's the "I have better things to do than sit in front of computer all the time".

But conversely, it also has the "if you paid attention and read my posts you would already know this".

There's also the "because you replied to my post you must be craving attention from me".

But my favorite part is at the end where RP is gently reminded that there are things that happen offline (like lunch!) to which RP is not privy.

The only thing missing was the "who are you?" or the "if you had ever posted something memorable I'd take you more seriously".

I think we all should be able to simply refer to this post in the future when we feel like making arguments without substance.
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greatwhitenorthchick
I Sure Do Post A Lot

Joined: 10 Mar 2003
Posts: 53
Location: somewhere underneath Owen Nolan
Posted: Thu Mar 13, 2003 12:13 pm Post subject:

Reading the posts about sororities has put that song in my head that starts out "Muffy in the bathroom stall" from Trading Places.

The trouble is, I can only remember a few lines:

"Muffy in the bathroom stall,

[Bunny] by the lake,

(blah blah blah)

Constance on the make

(Blah blah blah)

Constance would fulfill your needs,

Winter, Spring or Fall.

If someone would please fill in the blanks for me, I would be very grateful. Google is no help.
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str8_outa_covina
I Sure Do Post A Lot

Joined: 10 Mar 2003
Posts: 36
Posted: Thu Mar 13, 2003 12:17 pm Post subject: Re: Gift Ideas for One-Year old

greatwhitenorthchick wrote:
What does one get the one-year old that has everything? . . . He loves the three stooges, so I was thinking of getting him a video of that, but he is already laughing too much at other's misfortune (like when he burst out laughing at the kid in his playgroup who slipped and fell), so I think his mom would be annoyed at me for encouraging that behavior (and his mom is one of my best friends).
I really like this kid.

One can never have too many educational toys. Or you can be preemptive and get him the smallest size hockey skates around, for when he grows into them?
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paigowprincess
Beyond Category

Joined: 10 Mar 2003
Posts: 116
Posted: Thu Mar 13, 2003 12:32 pm Post subject: Re: Random Musings

EvenOdds wrote:
Random thoughts while watching tv, I mean working.

Da Ali G Show: It was off the hook this week. The fashion stuff was brilliant. (Hate to admit it, but Thurgreed was right in his praise.)

American Idol: A little surprised by who was eliminated, but not surprised by the bottom 3. She was too much in the middle to get much notice. Kim L is on the block though if she doesn't step up.

Nike basketball ad featuring the guards: I love this ad and I cannot get the stupid song out of my head. According to the SO, I "sing" it when I am doing stuff.

Penske, the commission is mine. I posted it on the infirm FB, so stop trying to take credit for what I do (all the time).

Even(oh, and it looks like we're not moving.)Odds

As I missed half of the Tuesday AI, I had no idea who was the absolute worst. However, I did catch the little mini recaps, and as soonas I saw (without really hearing) the Kelly Osbourne wannabe chick, I knew she was toast. Kelly Osbourne is more overexploited than the Freinds were after their first season. ANything that looks like her is a turnoff. She had to go. That simple.

Did they announce things kind of in the order of the votes? Lke Ruben came in first and was called first? and that carmen came in fourth to last? I am assuming yes. I think Ruben's win is a foregone conclusion.

How come black people are such better singers thatn white people? I dont mean this in a Randy and Mortay "They are very musical people" kind of way, but its just that the black contestants blow everyone else off the map. not even close.
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ThrashersFan
Newbie
Joined: 10 Mar 2003
Posts: 3
Posted: Thu Mar 13, 2003 12:45 pm Post subject: Re: Gift Ideas for One-Year old

str8_outa_covina wrote:
greatwhitenorthchick wrote:
What does one get the one-year old that has everything? . . . He loves the three stooges, so I was thinking of getting him a video of that, but he is already laughing too much at other's misfortune (like when he burst out laughing at the kid in his playgroup who slipped and fell), so I think his mom would be annoyed at me for encouraging that behavior (and his mom is one of my best friends).
I really like this kid.

One can never have too many educational toys. Or you can be preemptive and get him the smallest size hockey skates around, for when he grows into them.
I bought skates for my son when he was around 1. I think it is Bauer that makes them small enough (although I am pretty sure that CCM does too). I am also aware that a company in Buffalo still makes those old two-blade strap-ons for kids. Many people believe that children should never use the multi-blade skates to learn but when I was a wee lass up north I began my hockey-chick career on double-bladed strap-on skates and it did not hinder my ability to go to single blades. Old age, too much beer and a slight (self-diagnosed) psychosis have, however, had a dramatic effect on my skating ability.

Thrashers(we play the Habs tonight which is great because I get to sing the Canadian anthem which as I child I thought was played at every hockey match but down here is only played when we host a team from Canada)Fan

p.s. My apologies if I screwed up this response thing. I rarely posted on the "old" board and this is my first time here (ohhhhh, I feel almost virginal) so I am still trying to figure it all out.
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ThrashersFan
Newbie
Joined: 10 Mar 2003
Posts: 3
Posted: Thu Mar 13, 2003 12:46 pm Post subject: Re: Gift Ideas for One-Year old

str8_outa_covina wrote:
greatwhitenorthchick wrote:
What does one get the one-year old that has everything? . . . He loves the three stooges, so I was thinking of getting him a video of that, but he is already laughing too much at other's misfortune (like when he burst out laughing at the kid in his playgroup who slipped and fell), so I think his mom would be annoyed at me for encouraging that behavior (and his mom is one of my best friends).
I really like this kid.

One can never have too many educational toys. Or you can be preemptive and get him the smallest size hockey skates around, for when he grows into them.
I bought skates for my son when he was around 1. I think it is Bauer that makes them small enough (although I am pretty sure that CCM does too). I am also aware that a company in Buffalo still makes those old two-blade strap-ons for kids. Many people believe that children should never use the multi-blade skates to learn but when I was a wee lass up north I began my hockey-chick career on double-bladed strap-on skates and it did not hinder my ability to go to single blades. Old age, too much beer and a slight (self-diagnosed) psychosis have, however, had a dramatic effect on my skating ability.

Thrashers(we play the Habs tonight which is great because I get to sing the Canadian anthem which as I child I thought was played at every hockey match -- at least on my border town it was -- but down here is only played when we host a team from Canada)Fan

p.s. My apologies if I screwed up this response thing. I rarely posted on the "old" board and this is my first time here (ohhhhh, I feel almost virginal) so I am still trying to figure it all out.
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paigowprincess
Beyond Category

Joined: 10 Mar 2003
Posts: 116
Posted: Thu Mar 13, 2003 12:49 pm Post subject:

Jack_Manfred wrote:
paigow_princess wrote:
a related story, George Miller, the comic and Letterman fixture, died recently at 61 after a battle with leukemia.
paigow_princess wrote:
Morrissey sucks. Elvis Costello sucks.
Paigow you ignorant slut. The Smiths were a great band. They were the great British band of the 80's. What's interesting now is that Morrissey's biggest fans aren't pale Brits or Goths...they're Mexicans. Morrissey had a huge show with Los Jaguares in Los Angeles last year. Weird, huh?

Elvis Costello recorded My Aim Is True, This Year's Model, and Armed Forces in the span of about 18 months. That's one of the most amazing bursts of creativity in modern music. It's patently unfair to blame Elvis Costello for wanky British new wave bands like Kajagoogoo.

Oh, and thanks to Leagl, Slave, and MR for bringing the board back.

Jack Manfred
First, wno was George Miller exactly?

Second, I am left wondering if you are that flabby, pale, lopsided haircut, closet eyeliner wearing pussy from Horace Mann who I went to Yale with in the late eighties? You my dear boy are what we non PC college kids used to call a "eurofag". NTTAWWT. But please, just bc you were a loser in high school and had to get half your head shaevd and had to shop at Flip to be different, does not make the Smiths a decent band.

Elvis Costello? He speaks for himself. Alilllllllllllllllllllllllllllllissssssssssssssssssooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooon. God. He sucks. Remember that horrid episdoe of Melrose Place with that song?
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