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		| Originally posted by Secret_Agent_Man While your guy was snorting coke, driving drunk, probably dodging his NG service obligation, and later pretending none of the above matters because now he's a born-again tough guy.
 
 Now, you wanna talk about it?
 
 All of the points you mention cost Clinton votes, and will probably cost Kerry votes.  Why shouldn't the Bush issues cost him votes?  (If only by depressing his base.)  There aren't many votes to spare in 2004 -- and you know it -- which is why you're pissed.
 
 S_A_M
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  I think you are wrong if you think that all of this matters.  The vast majority of people are going to vote for their party's candidate regardless of who their party nominates.  There is a small minority of swing voters who determine the outcome of elections and they are more interested in substantive issues like the economy, health care, and national security.  So in the end, I think the outcome of elections is determined by these substantive issues.