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Old 05-21-2004, 07:29 PM   #430
Tyrone Slothrop
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marginalizing Sadr

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Originally posted by sgtclub
You are telling me that the French and the Germans would have sent significant troops? Not likely. I agree with Slave, it would have basically been the same troops are are currently there.
So the French and Germans were pushing for the UN to run things, but weren't willing to ante anything up for the privilege? I don't think so. Please find me a cite for that. You're back to the tried-and-true tactic of disparaging the French for being French. It's rhetorically effective, and not wholly unfair, but pretending at this point that we had to do things the way we did them because there was no alternative is a crock.

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If you think that there would have been less shooting, you are just mistaken. Please reread the letter sent by al zawari (I know this is spelled wrong, but I'm too lazy to look it up). The insurgency has nothing to do with who the "occupiers" are and everything to do with not wanting anything resembling a democracy to be established in Iraq.
Who is opposed to the concept of democracy? The Kurds most of all, and they're not shooting at us. Sadr is using us as a foil to gain popular support. Granted, some of the terror is from Islamists who are opposed to anything Western, but that's certainly not the all of it. To the extent that the insurgents have popular support, I submit that it is because they are perceived to be resisting a foreign occupier. The UN would not have quite the same problems.
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