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Old 06-04-2004, 01:37 PM   #1420
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Originally posted by Tyrone Slothrop
And even what you describe is not a "conspiracy theory," but a rather simple explanation of Bush's motivations.
Rich. So Teddy's claim that this war was "hatch" down in Texas is not a conspiracy theory?

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It's beyond clear that Bush and other senior officials said things that were not true. I tend to believe they did this because they are ideologues, and believed -- even without evidence -- that they would be proved right. In other words, to them, the end justified the means -- or, as you put it, he did what he thought was right. You and I agree on that much.
I don't disagree that some of the things said turned out to be untrue. Where I think we disagree is that I don't believe they thought these things were untrue at the time they said them. You seem to suggest that you do. So in other words, they lied, right?

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Like you link to stories about job creation, but don't bother to link to people noting that we would have to create 850,000 jobs a month for the next two months to catch up to the administration's February forecast.
I didn't link to them because I didn't see them. You can spin this all you want, and I'm sure you will, because it's the only bullet in the "It's the Economy Stupid" talking points that remains a problem for the administration. The simple point is that the recession started between 1/01 and 3/01, depending on who you talked to. After that, we had (1) a complete bursting of the bubble, (2) 9/11, (3) Enron, Worldcom, etc., and (4) 2 Wars. Frankly, it is amazing that the recession was as mild as it was. So now the economy is booming, and I mean booming, inflation is low, home ownership is high, etc., yet jobs, like they always do, are lagging a bit, so the DEMS pounce on jobs. Oh, but wait, jobs are coming back now too - 1.2 million created this year alone. So now the spin turns back to "bush lied."

I'm starting to see how this moving target game works.


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Maybe later you can tell me why, e.g., General Electric, which owns NBC, wants to destroy Bush. Or Disney, which owns ABC, wants to destroy Bush. I'm curious.
Do you really believe that GE has editorial control over NBC? That Disney has editorial control over ABC? Do you really? Who is failing to think cricially now? Take that Michael Moore logic back to Ontario.

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As for my "party line," I'd break it all the time if I knew what it was. [Insert Will Rogers quote here.]
That's what I suspected.

edited for links and to add "Do you really? Who is failing to think cricially now? Take that Michael Moore logic back to Ontario."

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