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Originally Posted by Adder
Both, although not having control of anything means most of what the Dems are actually trying to accomplish right now is political. How do they do what the need to do - which is mostly get their messaging out - when a big chunk of the attention paid to Dems each week is a new allegation against Al? How do they get media and voter attention on whatever when there's almost certainly ongoing embarrassment happening?
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This is our party's problem. This right here.
We craft the message.
We address the issues.
We weather the storm when there is one. The appropriate response
as a party to Franken's shit is: There is currently an investigation. Any new accusations will be added to the investigation and will be considered when leadership must determine the appropriate steps.
Instead, we have a bunch of Adders
on our side who are screaming that Franken must leave! We can't be hypocrites! We can't get anything done!
Ridiculous.
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Originally Posted by Adder
Agreed, but it's not a zero sum game of persuading one pool of voters, and the margins very much matter. Looking no different from the GOP, because we don't do anything about credible allegations of inappropriate behavior either, can absolutely be a factor in someone staying home or voting third party.
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Do you even hear yourself? In what world has anyone on this board (or anywhere in the world) said that we shouldn't "do anything about credible allegations?" Absolutely no one. The fact that you think the only thing to be done is for Franken to step down is the problem we are currently discussing. And the fact that you think we "look no different from the GOP" over Franken or even Conyers is batshit crazy.
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Originally Posted by Adder
Okay then.
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Brilliant.
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Seriously, stop this.
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Stop what? If you think that demanding Franken step down isn't punishment in most
everyone's eyes, including those calling for him to step down, you're nuts.
Usually I'm with you when it comes to your empathy for women's, race, LGBT issues. But the fact that you can't see past "resignation is required for any charge related to sexual impropriety" makes me wonder if you're losing your ability to reason in favor of proving to everyone how empathetic you are.
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