All Hank, all the time.

[Spanky]

Originally posted by Tyrone Slothrop
and that when the government spends money, it's the functional equivalent of a tax increase.

I couldn't agree with you more on this.

[Tyrone Slothrop]

Originally posted by sebastian_dangerfield
No I won't, because your fiscal responsibility is built on taking my fucking money. The Democrats soak the fucking middle class, and you can't refute that point with a million years of research and endless bandwidth in which to reply.

1. You can't soak the rich because they shelter it.

2. You can't soak the poor because they don't have it.

3. You have to get your money from somewhere.

4. So who's left? Hmmm.

Who the fuck do you think pays all the fucking taxes in this country? Your party does a fine job running its mouth about the rich getting off easy. But it never offers a solution. Why? Because the solution is to tax the piss out of the upper middle class. Now that voters understand that, your party is running its mouth about fiscal responsibility. Sure, over time you are more fiscally "responsible." It's pretty fucking easy to come up with scads of cash when you're not shy about pandering to limousine liberals, the wretched "entitlement" class and a pack of union whores by jamming your hand into the middle classes' money.

Wealth redistribution from the upper middle to the hands of govt workers. Thaats Dem fiscal responsibility. Bush is a fuckup, no doubt. But he's not going to fuck me in the ass the way your party will, so thanks, but you can keep that fiscal responsibility of yours.

And don't tell me about how much the war is going to cost me down the road. It wo't be any more than what having a Dem in office would have cost me.

The current budget deficits have much more to do with tax cuts for the rich than tax cuts for the middle class. But don't let me stop you -- you're on a roll. Was it over when the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor?

Any idea what government spending has done recently? That's with Republicans in charge. Republicans who passed, for example, a more expensive drug benefit to make big pharma richer.

Don't worry -- they put it on the country's credit card, and they don't figure anyone'll be around when the bill comes. At least, they won't be.

[Spanky]

And the White House is going to do everything it can to keep Joe in the race.


Rove called Lieberman on voting day
Thu Aug 10, 2006 12:49pm ET

GREEN BAY, Wisconsin (Reuters) - Karl Rove, a top political adviser to President Bush said on Thursday he had called Sen. Joseph Lieberman to wish him well in the Democratic primary in Connecticut this week.

Top Republicans, including Vice President Dick Cheney, have taken the unusual step of publicly commenting on the results of the Democratic primary that Lieberman lost on Tuesday to an anti-war challenger.

"I called him. He's a personal friend," Rove told reporters traveling with Bush to Wisconsin. The call was made late Tuesday afternoon, the day of the primary won by challenger Ned Lamont, who painted Lieberman as too cozy with Bush.

Rove said he called Lieberman "and wished him well on his election that night," and that reports he had offered to help the senator were "completely inaccurate."



Bush did not know until Thursday morning about his call to Lieberman, Rove said.

Democrats see Lieberman's loss in the primary as a referendum on Bush and the Iraq war, while Republicans say it shows that Democrats are soft on national security issues.

[Penske_Account]

I have to work for the rest of the day so I am out. FTR, I disagree with everything all of all y'all post, except that which I agree with.

YMMV.

Best regards,

Penkse

ps: to those who hate America and/or Israel, and you know whom you are, (1) why?; and (2) Please stop.

[sgtclub]

Originally posted by Spanky
What do you need a cite for?

1) Any Jew living anywhere in the world can move to Israel and become a citizen immediately

2) Any of the Muslim Residents (including their families and descendents) who lived in what is now Israel proper who fled during the 48 war were not allowed to return to their homes and they a forever barred from their homes.

3) The Jewish residents of what is now Isreal proper who fled the violence during the 48 war were allowed to return to their homes and become citizens of Isreal.

4) Relatives of the current muslims citizens and residents of Isreal (many of whom are the people who fled during the 48 war) are not allowed to visit their relatives in Isreal proper, let alone allowed to move there.

5) Muslim residents of the Occupied territories are not allowed to particpate in elections for the Knesset, the political body which has control over them.

6) Jewish residents (also known as the people who live in the "Jewish Settlements") of the occupied territories are allowed to participate in elections for the Knesset.

Sorry - I was referring to this:

• As for the occupation of the West Bank and Gaza, those are direct violation of International law.

[sgtclub]

Originally posted by Tyrone Slothrop
The current budget deficits have much more to do with tax cuts for the rich than tax cuts for the middle class. But don't let me stop you -- you're on a roll. Was it over when the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor?

Any idea what government spending has done recently? That's with Republicans in charge. Republicans who passed, for example, a more expensive drug benefit to make big pharma richer.

Don't worry -- they put it on the country's credit card, and they don't figure anyone'll be around when the bill comes. At least, they won't be.

The current budget deficits have most to do with the outrageous fucking spending over the last 5 years.

[SlaveNoMore]

Another great compiliation of all the shenanigans found here

http://www.zombietime.com/reuters_photo_fraud/

[Spanky]

in 2004, pollster Scott Rasmussen asked likely voters if they believed America was generally a fair and decent country and whether they believed the world would be a better place if more countries were like America.

Republicans agreed that America is generally fair and decent, 83 percent to 7 percent. Eighty-one percent agreed that the world would be a better place if more countries were like the United States.

By contrast, Democrats were nearly split, with only 46 percent agreeing that America is generally a fair and decent country, and with 37 percent saying America is not a generally fair and decent country. Only 48 percent of Democrats said they thought that the world would be a better place if more countries were like the United States.

[Tyrone Slothrop]

Originally posted by sgtclub
The current budget deficits have most to do with the outrageous fucking spending over the last 5 years.

The government has been spending more and collecting less in taxes. Sebby wanted to talk about the tax side, so I was trying to point out that notwithstanding his thought that the rich just shelter their income, taxes on the rich have been cut quite considerably, which tends to indicate that in the not-too-distant past it was possible to tax the rich.

[Spanky]

Originally posted by sgtclub
Sorry - I was referring to this:

• As for the occupation of the West Bank and Gaza, those are direct violation of International law.

Has invading another country and occupying indefinitely ever been in compliance with international law? As far as I know, under international law, one is not allowed to invade another country and indefinitely occupy it for ones own self defense. Am I wrong?

If you believe UN resolutions equal international law then:

A list of UN Resolutions against "Israel"

1955-1992:
* Resolution 106: " . . . 'condemns' Israel for Gaza raid".
* Resolution 111: " . . . 'condemns' Israel for raid on Syria that killed fifty-six people".
* Resolution 127: " . . . 'recommends' Israel suspends it's 'no-man's zone' in Jerusalem".
* Resolution 162: " . . . 'urges' Israel to comply with UN decisions".
* Resolution 171: " . . . determines flagrant violations' by Israel in its attack on Syria".
* Resolution 228: " . . . 'censures' Israel for its attack on Samu in the West Bank, then under Jordanian control".
* Resolution 237: " . . . 'urges' Israel to allow return of new 1967 Palestinian refugees".
* Resolution 248: " . . . 'condemns' Israel for its massive attack on Karameh in Jordan".
* Resolution 250: " . . . 'calls' on Israel to refrain from holding military parade in Jerusalem".
* Resolution 251: " . . . 'deeply deplores' Israeli military parade in Jerusalem in defiance of Resolution 250".
* Resolution 252: " . . . 'declares invalid' Israel's acts to unify Jerusalem as Jewish capital".
* Resolution 256: " . . . 'condemns' Israeli raids on Jordan as 'flagrant violation".
* Resolution 259: " . . . 'deplores' Israel's refusal to accept UN mission to probe occupation".
* Resolution 262: " . . . 'condemns' Israel for attack on Beirut airport".
* Resolution 265: " . . . 'condemns' Israel for air attacks for Salt in Jordan".
* Resolution 267: " . . . 'censures' Israel for administrative acts to change the status of Jerusalem".
*Resolution 270: " . . . 'condemns' Israel for air attacks on villages in southern Lebanon".
* Resolution 271: " . . . 'condemns' Israel's failure to obey UN resolutions on Jerusalem".
* Resolution 279: " . . . 'demands' withdrawal of Israeli forces from Lebanon".
* Resolution 280: " . . . 'condemns' Israeli's attacks against Lebanon".
* Resolution 285: " . . . 'demands' immediate Israeli withdrawal form Lebanon".
* Resolution 298: " . . . 'deplores' Israel's changing of the status of Jerusalem".
* Resolution 313: " . . . 'demands' that Israel stop attacks against Lebanon".
* Resolution 316: " . . . 'condemns' Israel for repeated attacks on Lebanon".
* Resolution 317: " . . . 'deplores' Israel's refusal to release Arabs abducted in Lebanon".
* Resolution 332: " . . . 'condemns' Israel's repeated attacks against Lebanon".
* Resolution 337: " . . . 'condemns' Israel for violating Lebanon's sovereignty".
* Resolution 347: " . . . 'condemns' Israeli attacks on Lebanon".
* Resolution 425: " . . . 'calls' on Israel to withdraw its forces from Lebanon".
* Resolution 427: " . . . 'calls' on Israel to complete its withdrawal from Lebanon.
* Resolution 444: " . . . 'deplores' Israel's lack of cooperation with UN peacekeeping forces".
* Resolution 446: " . . . 'determines' that Israeli settlements are a 'serious
obstruction' to peace and calls on Israel to abide by the Fourth Geneva Convention".
* Resolution 450: " . . . 'calls' on Israel to stop attacking Lebanon".
* Resolution 452: " . . . 'calls' on Israel to cease building settlements in occupied territories".
* Resolution 465: " . . . 'deplores' Israel's settlements and asks all member
states not to assist Israel's settlements program".
* Resolution 467: " . . . 'strongly deplores' Israel's military intervention in Lebanon".
* Resolution 468: " . . . 'calls' on Israel to rescind illegal expulsions of
two Palestinian mayors and a judge and to facilitate their return".
* Resolution 469: " . . . 'strongly deplores' Israel's failure to observe the
council's order not to deport Palestinians".
* Resolution 471: " . . . 'expresses deep concern' at Israel's failure to abide
by the Fourth Geneva Convention".
* Resolution 476: " . . . 'reiterates' that Israel's claim to Jerusalem are 'null and void'".
* Resolution 478: " . . . 'censures (Israel) in the strongest terms' for its
claim to Jerusalem in its 'Basic Law'".
* Resolution 484: " . . . 'declares it imperative' that Israel re-admit two deported
Palestinian mayors".
* Resolution 487: " . . . 'strongly condemns' Israel for its attack on Iraq's
nuclear facility".
* Resolution 497: " . . . 'decides' that Israel's annexation of Syria's Golan
Heights is 'null and void' and demands that Israel rescinds its decision forthwith".
* Resolution 498: " . . . 'calls' on Israel to withdraw from Lebanon".
* Resolution 501: " . . . 'calls' on Israel to stop attacks against Lebanon and withdraw its troops".
* Resolution 509: " . . . 'demands' that Israel withdraw its forces forthwith and unconditionally from Lebanon".
* Resolution 515: " . . . 'demands' that Israel lift its siege of Beirut and
allow food supplies to be brought in".
* Resolution 517: " . . . 'censures' Israel for failing to obey UN resolutions
and demands that Israel withdraw its forces from Lebanon".
* Resolution 518: " . . . 'demands' that Israel cooperate fully with UN forces in Lebanon".
* Resolution 520: " . . . 'condemns' Israel's attack into West Beirut".
* Resolution 573: " . . . 'condemns' Israel 'vigorously' for bombing Tunisia
in attack on PLO headquarters.
* Resolution 587: " . . . 'takes note' of previous calls on Israel to withdraw
its forces from Lebanon and urges all parties to withdraw".
* Resolution 592: " . . . 'strongly deplores' the killing of Palestinian students
at Bir Zeit University by Israeli troops".
* Resolution 605: " . . . 'strongly deplores' Israel's policies and practices
denying the human rights of Palestinians.
* Resolution 607: " . . . 'calls' on Israel not to deport Palestinians and strongly
requests it to abide by the Fourth Geneva Convention.
* Resolution 608: " . . . 'deeply regrets' that Israel has defied the United Nations and deported Palestinian civilians".
* Resolution 636: " . . . 'deeply regrets' Israeli deportation of Palestinian civilians.
* Resolution 641: " . . . 'deplores' Israel's continuing deportation of Palestinians.
* Resolution 672: " . . . 'condemns' Israel for violence against Palestinians
at the Haram al-Sharif/Temple Mount.
* Resolution 673: " . . . 'deplores' Israel's refusal to cooperate with the United
Nations.
* Resolution 681: " . . . 'deplores' Israel's resumption of the deportation of
Palestinians.
* Resolution 694: " . . . 'deplores' Israel's deportation of Palestinians and
calls on it to ensure their safe and immediate return.
* Resolution 726: " . . . 'strongly condemns' Israel's deportation of Palestinians.
* Resolution 799: ". . . 'strongly condemns' Israel's deportation of 413 Palestinians
and calls for their immediate return.

[Penske_Account]

Originally posted by Penske_Account
I have to work for the rest of the day so I am out. FTR, I disagree with everything all of all y'all post, except that which I agree with.

YMMV.

Best regards,

Penkse

ps: to those who hate America and/or Israel, and you know whom you are, (1) why?; and (2) Please stop.

My meeting got delayed........................

[Penske_Account]

Originally posted by Spanky
in 2004, pollster Scott Rasmussen asked likely voters if they believed America was generally a fair and decent country and whether they believed the world would be a better place if more countries were like America.

Republicans agreed that America is generally fair and decent, 83 percent to 7 percent. Eighty-one percent agreed that the world would be a better place if more countries were like the United States.

By contrast, Democrats were nearly split, with only 46 percent agreeing that America is generally a fair and decent country, and with 37 percent saying America is not a generally fair and decent country. Only 48 percent of Democrats said they thought that the world would be a better place if more countries were like the United States.

translation: Republicans are patriots, Democrats hate America.

Did Rasmussen have any insight as to why the Ds hate America so? Maybe a "weird uncle sam" inappropriately fondled (as distinguished from appropriately fondled) them as children?

[Penske_Account]

Originally posted by Spanky
Has invading another country and occupying indefinitely ever been in compliance with international law? As far as I know, under international law, one is not allowed to invade another country and indefinitely occupy it for ones own self defense. Am I wrong?

If you believe UN resolutions equal international law then:

A list of UN Resolutions against "Israel"

1955-1992:
* Resolution 106: " . . . 'condemns' Israel for Gaza raid".
* Resolution 111: " . . . 'condemns' Israel for raid on Syria that killed fifty-six people".
* Resolution 127: " . . . 'recommends' Israel suspends it's 'no-man's zone' in Jerusalem".
* Resolution 162: " . . . 'urges' Israel to comply with UN decisions".
* Resolution 171: " . . . determines flagrant violations' by Israel in its attack on Syria".
* Resolution 228: " . . . 'censures' Israel for its attack on Samu in the West Bank, then under Jordanian control".
* Resolution 237: " . . . 'urges' Israel to allow return of new 1967 Palestinian refugees".
* Resolution 248: " . . . 'condemns' Israel for its massive attack on Karameh in Jordan".
* Resolution 250: " . . . 'calls' on Israel to refrain from holding military parade in Jerusalem".
* Resolution 251: " . . . 'deeply deplores' Israeli military parade in Jerusalem in defiance of Resolution 250".
* Resolution 252: " . . . 'declares invalid' Israel's acts to unify Jerusalem as Jewish capital".
* Resolution 256: " . . . 'condemns' Israeli raids on Jordan as 'flagrant violation".
* Resolution 259: " . . . 'deplores' Israel's refusal to accept UN mission to probe occupation".
* Resolution 262: " . . . 'condemns' Israel for attack on Beirut airport".
* Resolution 265: " . . . 'condemns' Israel for air attacks for Salt in Jordan".
* Resolution 267: " . . . 'censures' Israel for administrative acts to change the status of Jerusalem".
*Resolution 270: " . . . 'condemns' Israel for air attacks on villages in southern Lebanon".
* Resolution 271: " . . . 'condemns' Israel's failure to obey UN resolutions on Jerusalem".
* Resolution 279: " . . . 'demands' withdrawal of Israeli forces from Lebanon".
* Resolution 280: " . . . 'condemns' Israeli's attacks against Lebanon".
* Resolution 285: " . . . 'demands' immediate Israeli withdrawal form Lebanon".
* Resolution 298: " . . . 'deplores' Israel's changing of the status of Jerusalem".
* Resolution 313: " . . . 'demands' that Israel stop attacks against Lebanon".
* Resolution 316: " . . . 'condemns' Israel for repeated attacks on Lebanon".
* Resolution 317: " . . . 'deplores' Israel's refusal to release Arabs abducted in Lebanon".
* Resolution 332: " . . . 'condemns' Israel's repeated attacks against Lebanon".
* Resolution 337: " . . . 'condemns' Israel for violating Lebanon's sovereignty".
* Resolution 347: " . . . 'condemns' Israeli attacks on Lebanon".
* Resolution 425: " . . . 'calls' on Israel to withdraw its forces from Lebanon".
* Resolution 427: " . . . 'calls' on Israel to complete its withdrawal from Lebanon.
* Resolution 444: " . . . 'deplores' Israel's lack of cooperation with UN peacekeeping forces".
* Resolution 446: " . . . 'determines' that Israeli settlements are a 'serious
obstruction' to peace and calls on Israel to abide by the Fourth Geneva Convention".
* Resolution 450: " . . . 'calls' on Israel to stop attacking Lebanon".
* Resolution 452: " . . . 'calls' on Israel to cease building settlements in occupied territories".
* Resolution 465: " . . . 'deplores' Israel's settlements and asks all member
states not to assist Israel's settlements program".
* Resolution 467: " . . . 'strongly deplores' Israel's military intervention in Lebanon".
* Resolution 468: " . . . 'calls' on Israel to rescind illegal expulsions of
two Palestinian mayors and a judge and to facilitate their return".
* Resolution 469: " . . . 'strongly deplores' Israel's failure to observe the
council's order not to deport Palestinians".
* Resolution 471: " . . . 'expresses deep concern' at Israel's failure to abide
by the Fourth Geneva Convention".
* Resolution 476: " . . . 'reiterates' that Israel's claim to Jerusalem are 'null and void'".
* Resolution 478: " . . . 'censures (Israel) in the strongest terms' for its
claim to Jerusalem in its 'Basic Law'".
* Resolution 484: " . . . 'declares it imperative' that Israel re-admit two deported
Palestinian mayors".
* Resolution 487: " . . . 'strongly condemns' Israel for its attack on Iraq's
nuclear facility".
* Resolution 497: " . . . 'decides' that Israel's annexation of Syria's Golan
Heights is 'null and void' and demands that Israel rescinds its decision forthwith".
* Resolution 498: " . . . 'calls' on Israel to withdraw from Lebanon".
* Resolution 501: " . . . 'calls' on Israel to stop attacks against Lebanon and withdraw its troops".
* Resolution 509: " . . . 'demands' that Israel withdraw its forces forthwith and unconditionally from Lebanon".
* Resolution 515: " . . . 'demands' that Israel lift its siege of Beirut and
allow food supplies to be brought in".
* Resolution 517: " . . . 'censures' Israel for failing to obey UN resolutions
and demands that Israel withdraw its forces from Lebanon".
* Resolution 518: " . . . 'demands' that Israel cooperate fully with UN forces in Lebanon".
* Resolution 520: " . . . 'condemns' Israel's attack into West Beirut".
* Resolution 573: " . . . 'condemns' Israel 'vigorously' for bombing Tunisia
in attack on PLO headquarters.
* Resolution 587: " . . . 'takes note' of previous calls on Israel to withdraw
its forces from Lebanon and urges all parties to withdraw".
* Resolution 592: " . . . 'strongly deplores' the killing of Palestinian students
at Bir Zeit University by Israeli troops".
* Resolution 605: " . . . 'strongly deplores' Israel's policies and practices
denying the human rights of Palestinians.
* Resolution 607: " . . . 'calls' on Israel not to deport Palestinians and strongly
requests it to abide by the Fourth Geneva Convention.
* Resolution 608: " . . . 'deeply regrets' that Israel has defied the United Nations and deported Palestinian civilians".
* Resolution 636: " . . . 'deeply regrets' Israeli deportation of Palestinian civilians.
* Resolution 641: " . . . 'deplores' Israel's continuing deportation of Palestinians.
* Resolution 672: " . . . 'condemns' Israel for violence against Palestinians
at the Haram al-Sharif/Temple Mount.
* Resolution 673: " . . . 'deplores' Israel's refusal to cooperate with the United
Nations.
* Resolution 681: " . . . 'deplores' Israel's resumption of the deportation of
Palestinians.
* Resolution 694: " . . . 'deplores' Israel's deportation of Palestinians and
calls on it to ensure their safe and immediate return.
* Resolution 726: " . . . 'strongly condemns' Israel's deportation of Palestinians.
* Resolution 799: ". . . 'strongly condemns' Israel's deportation of 413 Palestinians
and calls for their immediate return.

Spank, my earelier posts notwithstanding, the problem here is, that overtime (although not so much in 1948), the UN has become an unbridled haven for anti-semitic commie and/or socialist haters. They hate us, they hate the Jews, they hate commerce and markets, although, oddly, they like having the UN HQ in New York as opposed to some shithole third world country, presumably so they can access all our freedom and markets have to offer.

Anyhoo, they have illegitimised themselves. These are the same people who support awarding genocidal babykillers with nobel peace prises. At this point, its the law ofthe gun, maybe the god fearing good guys win!!!

[Tyrone Slothrop]

Originally posted by Penske_Account
translation: Republicans are patriots, Democrats hate America.

Did Rasmussen have any insight as to why the Ds hate America so? Maybe a "weird uncle sam" inappropriately fondled (as distinguished from appropriately fondled) them as children?

[sebastian_dangerfield]

Originally posted by Tyrone Slothrop
The government has been spending more and collecting less in taxes. Sebby wanted to talk about the tax side, so I was trying to point out that notwithstanding his thought that the rich just shelter their income, taxes on the rich have been cut quite considerably, which tends to indicate that in the not-too-distant past it was possible to tax the rich.

That's funny. The Journal wrote an article last month citing stats showing the rich paying more taxes than ever.

"QUOTE" not "EDIT" -- Sorry! -- t.s.