Doesn’t Matter Who Wins the K Race; We’re All the Same

[Greedy,Greedy,Greedy]

Originally Posted by hank chinaski

aaaarrrrgggg

lurking on a fb friend's page, she posted about some movie that summarized how the russians changed the election with social media-

and a green posted about how he couldn't vote for hil so jill stein got his vote. Then he started musing about the us politics generally, and how bad trump voters are because they simply don't care about poc or foreigners.

And it occurred to me, voting third party is the very definition of privilege. This nut did as much harm as any trump voter.

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[Hank Chinaski]

Originally Posted by sebastian_dangerfield

Your argument seems to be, fuck the people who didn't vote for Hillary... they'd no reasonable basis to do that. Well, they'd say to you, what obligation did they have to vote for Hillary? Because you say so?

If third party voting is the definition of privilege, how do you explain so many Bernie followers doing it? Bernie's base was not the 1%. These were people without privilege saying, "If I'm offered more of the status quo, I think I'll just stay home."

And not all Trump voters caused harm. A lot of Trump voters got exactly what they wanted. How's that harm to them? Do you mean "harm to the country?" Well, who are you to say what's harm to the country? "One man's terrorist is another man's freedom fighter," as the saying goes.

No, harm to non-white people. Voting for Jill Stein is a specie of white privilege- in the face of a man threatening harm, hell promising harm, to non-whites, and you vote on some Ivory tower shit- only way is because he was not threatened himself. The guy I was reading said Trump voters must hate POC and immigrants because they voted for a guy who promised to fuck POC and immigrants over. But em didn't seem to get that his Jill vote fucked those people just as surely. I'm not posting this to mess with you- it just genuinely sickened me to hear someone complaining about how Trump voters obv don't care about some groups of people- em thinks he is educated but didn't see his stupidity at all.

[Adder]

Originally Posted by Hank Chinaski

No, harm to non-white people. Voting for Jill Stein is a specie of white privilege- in the face of a man threatening harm, hell promising harm, to non-whites, and you vote on some Ivory tower shit- only way is because he was not threatened himself. The guy I was reading said Trump voters must hate POC and immigrants because they voted for a guy who promised to fuck POC and immigrants over. But em didn't seem to get that his Jill vote fucked those people just as surely. I'm not posting this to mess with you- it just genuinely sickened me to hear someone complaining about how Trump voters obv don't care about some groups of people- em thinks he is educated but didn't see his stupidity at all.

Yup

[Icky Thump]

Originally Posted by Hank Chinaski

No, harm to non-white people. Voting for Jill Stein is a specie of white privilege- in the face of a man threatening harm, hell promising harm, to non-whites, and you vote on some Ivory tower shit- only way is because he was not threatened himself. The guy I was reading said Trump voters must hate POC and immigrants because they voted for a guy who promised to fuck POC and immigrants over. But em didn't seem to get that his Jill vote fucked those people just as surely. I'm not posting this to mess with you- it just genuinely sickened me to hear someone complaining about how Trump voters obv don't care about some groups of people- em thinks he is educated but didn't see his stupidity at all.

And about to do it again, big time by voting for Harris, Big Gay Pete, whomever, instead of Biden, who would win.

[sebastian_dangerfield]

Originally Posted by Hank Chinaski

No, harm to non-white people. Voting for Jill Stein is a specie of white privilege- in the face of a man threatening harm, hell promising harm, to non-whites, and you vote on some Ivory tower shit- only way is because he was not threatened himself. The guy I was reading said Trump voters must hate POC and immigrants because they voted for a guy who promised to fuck POC and immigrants over. But em didn't seem to get that his Jill vote fucked those people just as surely. I'm not posting this to mess with you- it just genuinely sickened me to hear someone complaining about how Trump voters obv don't care about some groups of people- em thinks he is educated but didn't see his stupidity at all.

You think people have an obligation to place your priorities above their own. You prioritize not having Trump in office. Many Stein voters prioritize seeing a third party candidate get traction.

That's not Stein voters exerting privilege. That's Stein voters having different priorities than you do.

I've finished most of White Privilege. I've had a hard time disagreeing with anything she said. The book is quite economical and lucid. But one thing I've not gotten from it is what you seem to be asserting here: That all voters must put the interests of POC at the top of their lists of priorities. Stein voters seem to care more about getting traction for the Green party than anything else. Who are you, me, or anyone else to tell them they must realign their priorities?

That's kind of what's been irritating about Russiagate. Trump is a buffoon and criminally oriented. But he won the election. The recourse is to beat him at the ballot box. The Left seems to think because it so detests him, he has no authority to be President. The Right did the same thing for eight years in regard to Obama.

The Left may have been right about Bush II. He arguably did steal the election and had no authority to preside in office. But Trump is a different story. He won the game. The game is replayed every four years. You get to beat him in 2020.

This thinking you seem to be exhibiting - that one must adhere to your priorities or be in a sort of "sphere of deviancy" for voters - is, well, a bit arrogant.

The argument you make is made routinely by Trump voters - "How can you not vote for the guy if he's worth X in tax savings, you dumbass." It's also made by Bernie voters - "Biden is corporate." Their priorities are different than yours. If you think your priorities are the best, okay. But no omniscient arbiter has said you're correct about that, and none ever will.

[sebastian_dangerfield]

Originally Posted by Icky Thump

And about to do it again, big time by voting for Harris, Big Gay Pete, whomever, instead of Biden, who would win.

2. But watch Warren. I still say she's got legs and will be at Biden's heels.

[sebastian_dangerfield]

Originally Posted by Greedy,Greedy,Greedy

REMINDER: you're fucked. and you fucked us. fuck you.

I'm fucked? I'm just a guy watching the wheels go round and round.

I gave up expecting much from politics long ago. But it's interesting as all hell. You should have a more circumspect view of this stuff.

[Hank Chinaski]

Originally Posted by sebastian_dangerfield

You think people have an obligation to place your priorities above their own. You prioritize not having Trump in office. Many Stein voters prioritize seeing a third party candidate get traction.

I really don't. I just think a person who voted for Stein, but then says, "geezzz all these Trump voters must not give a fuck about non-white people" is sort of missing the point. If em said, "I realize I might be helping to elect Trump, but the 3rd party thing was too important- it saddens me that non-white people would be getting fucked- but the third party things overcomes that sadness," god bless. But don't say you hate Trump voters because they are about non-white people getting fucked, in the same paragraph you tell us you voted for Jill- I'm sorry, but getting to that calculations means in almost all cases "I can do this cuz I ain't one of the ones getting fucked." and for the last time I ain't talking about YOU.

[sebastian_dangerfield]

Originally Posted by Hank Chinaski

I really don't. I just think a person who voted for Stein, but then says, "geezzz all these Trump voters must not give a fuck about non-white people" is sort of missing the point. If em said, "I realize I might be helping to elect Trump, but the 3rd party thing was too important- it saddens me that non-white people would be getting fucked- but the third party things overcomes that sadness," god bless. But don't say you hate Trump voters because they are about non-white people getting fucked, in the same paragraph you tell us you voted for Jill- I'm sorry, but getting to that calculations means in almost all cases "I can do this cuz I ain't one of the ones getting fucked." and for the last time I ain't talking about YOU.

Agreed. If you voted Stein, you prioritized something else above non-white people. Perhaps you did it unwittingly, or maybe you didn't even consider the impact of Trump on non-whites. But I'd say that's still prioritizing what you want above all else, and the proof of that is the fact that you didn't even consider the other priorities you were putting below yours.

[Tyrone Slothrop]

Originally Posted by Icky Thump

And about to do it again, big time by voting for Harris, Big Gay Pete, whomever, instead of Biden, who would win.

To beat Trump, a Democrat is going to need to excite voters to turn them out. Biden excites nobody. I like him, but he is the antithesis of exciting. His strategy is to bore everyone and hope that only old people vote in the primaries.

[Tyrone Slothrop]

"Conservatism isn’t, for most people, an ideology. It’s a group identity."

[Icky Thump]

Originally Posted by sebastian_dangerfield

2. But watch Warren. I still say she's got legs and will be at Biden's heels.

Though she is my 1st love, she will never win.

[Icky Thump]

Originally Posted by Tyrone Slothrop

To beat Trump, a Democrat is going to need to excite voters to turn them out. Biden excites nobody. I like him, but he is the antithesis of exciting. His strategy is to bore everyone and hope that only old people vote in the primaries.

You couldn't be more wrong. To beat Trump, a democrat needs to not suck, plain and simple.

[Hank Chinaski]

Originally Posted by Icky Thump

You couldn't be more wrong..

what is craziest to me is that I was the only one who predicted what would happen in 2016, and why. And all of you wrongoes just keep posting your “opinions” when you should just be asking me. SMH

[Icky Thump]

Originally Posted by Hank Chinaski

what is craziest to me is that I was the only one who predicted what would happen in 2016, and why. And all of you wrongoes just keep posting your “opinions” when you should just be asking me. SMH

So what to do next time?