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Originally Posted by ThurgreedMarshall
I've thought of this and I think it's the best approach. The problem is, there really is no such thing as local campaigns for federal office anymore. If you are running such a campaign you absolutely have to show up. If you show up, you absolutely have to speak to the issues. If you speak to the issues, whatever you say can and will be used against you in the national court of opinion.
Strategically, I probably agree. But I'm not sure abandoning those places is the best long-term approach.
See above.
You know, this dumbass blanket statement makes a normal conversation with you virtually impossible.
Spoken like a true white man. A message of inclusion is not the same as a promise to a discrete minority. Although, given how you think about this shit, I suppose it's obvious that it might as well be when it comes to fragile ass white people.
Ah, yes. Politicians always run on redressing past sins. They never focus on fixing issues that face people in the fucking moment. The fact that those issues have a history that stretches back to the beginning of this country is obvious, yes. But if you keep phrasing the issues that people currently face as sins of the majority's past, let's agree that it is pointless to continue debating anything.
Which people will be exhausted? I think people will be exhausted of a hateful, negative, exclusionary, incompetent, Administration and will be fired up to vote it the fuck out of office.
I still think this is Joe Biden's party if he wants it. I seem to recall when I said that he would crush the entire Republican field before the general started, you told me all about how dumb it was that I thought Biden could pull it off and how he was such a gaffe machine and couldn't get out of his own way, blah blah blah. Now you're telling me I need to pay attention to him. You have balls that are bigger than you're brain.
And Joe Biden has gone after Trump for many things. And, if you swapped their names out, your description of his speeches above could easily be attributed to Hillary during last year's campaign.
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My positions change because, as a moderate, I see both sides of every issue. Did I once assume Biden a gaffe machine? Probably. Did I also come to see him as the best hope the Ds had of winning during the late summer of 16? Yes I did.
It is because Biden is a gaffe machine that he connects with the otherwise Trump voter. He seems "real," and he's gutsy, and this passes the "have a beer with the guy" standard which is, unfortunately, still the litmus test for 1/2 the country.
Hillary isn't Joe. She's scripted. It's sad, because supposedly IRL, she's funny as fuck. Good one on one/small group personality. Bad candidate.
Identity politics is a political loser. That's not my opinion. It's fact. By definition, it separates people. If one wants to win an election separating people, he ought to carry a copy of Sisyphus around in his pocket. Don;t get mad at me. I don't care how one wins an election, and I have no feeling one way or another on identity politics. I just don't see the math working if one uses it as an across-the-board strategy. I think it needs to be applied strategically, in a targeted fashion.
By the way, I'm not speaking as a fragile white guy. I understand that I have failings in seeing my privilege. I get it. I'd prefer to combat racism by taking a stand where I can make a difference (and I've done so). I'm an ally, but introspection isn't my strong suit. In anything.
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