All Hank, all the time.

[Sidd Finch]

Originally posted by Adder
Not that I believe that Israel is engaged in genocide ('cause they are not), but this does not help you. Is there not close question as to whether Hamas and Hezbollah are either a national or a religious group? They certainly have national aspirations. And, in theory at least, they share a set of religious convictions.

No, there is not even a close question as to whether Hamas and Hezbollah are a national or a religious group. There is no question at all.

Neither claims to be a religion. Neither claims to be a nation.

Their aspirations to be political parties do not make them national groups.

And I note that there is nothing in there that says the victims of genocide must all be innocents. Certainly there were enemy combatants among the victims of genocide in Rwanda and Balkans.

Yes, but there is something in there about intent. If your intent is to kill the guerillas who are launching missiles at you, the fact that all of the guerillas belong to the same terrorist army, or political party, or religion, or ethnic group, is irrelevant -- it isn't genocide.

The intent in Rwanda was to kill all Tutsi. That's how what had been a civil war -- even an ethnic war -- became a genocide.

I'm just saying this may not be your strongest line of argument.

Yes, well. When someone suggests that maybe Hezbollah is a religious or ethnic group for purposes of establishing genocide, it's a little difficult to take his critique very seriously.

[Sidd Finch]

Originally posted by Tyrone Slothrop
Your Nazi analogy was better. Happily, the Nazis decided to stop fighting when their country was invaded and their cities flattened.

Really? Huh. I thought that they actually fought for awhile on German territory, after the invasion and well after the biggest bombings. My bad.

We've discussed this before, and it got pretty ugly. Are you joining Adder in the theory that Hezbollah is really a victim of genocide?

Jesus, even the most radical Palestinians haven't made that claim.

[Hank Chinaski]

Originally posted by Tyrone Slothrop
Your Nazi analogy was better. Happily, the Nazis decided to stop fighting when their country was invaded and their cities flattened.

We killed civilians/ blew up infrastructure/raped a bunch of them. Maybe you think we should have just not invaded?

[Penske_Account]

Originally posted by Sidd Finch
Yes, please do. Please continue to treat a terrorist group like Hezbollah as if it is an ethnic group. As if Hezbollah guerillas and suicide bombers are comparable to Hmong farmers.

Wonk, this is a deeply fucked up sentiment.

I never thought I would say this, but, Sidd has my (limited) proxy on this.

[Penske_Account]

Originally posted by Gattigap
No. You really don't.

2.

[Hank Chinaski]

Originally posted by Sidd Finch
Yes, well. When someone suggests that maybe Hezbollah is a religious or ethnic group for purposes of establishing genocide, it's a little difficult to take his critique very seriously.

fuck it. say if there was a religous or ethnic group where every member was intent on killing another group, call them group J, then group J should be doing genocide on the group that homogenously wants to kill it.

Charles Manson's family was a religous group and we took it out. Wonk was that wrong?

[Sidd Finch]

Originally posted by Hank Chinaski
fuck it. say if there was a religous or ethnic group where every member was intent on killing another group, call them group J, then group J should be doing genocide on the group that homogenously wants to kill it.

Charles Manson's family was a religous group and we took it out. Wonk was that wrong?

Perhaps. But I would have used the Branch Davidians as an example.

[Sidd Finch]

Originally posted by Penske_Account
I never thought I would say this, but, Sidd has my (limited) proxy on this.

As I told Club -- I rely on the principle "what would Lenin do?"

[Penske_Account]

Originally posted by Sidd Finch
As I told Club -- I rely on the principle "what would Lenin do?"

Ah, that explains your economic policy. no offence.

[Adder]

Originally posted by Sidd Finch
Really? Huh. I thought that they actually fought for awhile on German territory, after the invasion and well after the biggest bombings. My bad.

We've discussed this before, and it got pretty ugly. Are you joining Adder in the theory that Hezbollah is really a victim of genocide?

Jesus, even the most radical Palestinians haven't made that claim.

You realize that you have somehow lost touch with reason on this one, right? And, apparently, your reading skills as well as I specifically said that Israel was not engaged in genocide.

[Penske_Account]

Originally posted by Adder
You realize that you have somehow lost touch with reason on this one, right? And, apparently, your reading skills as well as I specifically said that Israel was not engaged in genocide.

You are either with us or against us Adder. Choose!!!

[Hank Chinaski]

Originally posted by Sidd Finch
Perhaps. But I would have used the Branch Davidians as an example.

I was going to bring them up- then I thought, no, best not to. Don't want to shock Penske right back into Clinton photoshops on his first full day back-

[sgtclub]

Originally posted by Tyrone Slothrop
Are you really suggesting there is anything sympathetic to the Apache or Kulaks?

?

[sgtclub]

Originally posted by Sidd Finch
As I told Club -- I rely on the principle "what would Lenin do?"

Sidd, you know how frustrated you have been the last few days as you argue with THOSE people - you know, the ones that refuse to think rationally? The ones that make you feel like banging your head against the wall repeatedly until it goes numb? Well, that is just a smigen of what I've had to deal with the last X years on this board (present company excluded, of course).

[Tyrone Slothrop]

Originally posted by Sidd Finch Really? Huh. I thought that they actually fought for awhile on German territory, after the invasion and well after the biggest bombings. My bad.

They were slow to deny it when it was clear that they were going to lose, but they pretty much stopped fighting in early May, 1945. That's all I meant. Israel could occupy Lebanon and Hezbollah would continue an insurgency.

We've discussed this before, and it got pretty ugly. Are you joining Adder in the theory that Hezbollah is really a victim of genocide?

I don't really get what he's saying.

That said, Hezbollah is a political party, but one that represents a particular religious group -- Shi'as in Lebanon.