I used to be disgusted, and now I try to be amused.

ThurgreedMarshall · 05-09-2016, 12:57 PM

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Originally Posted by taxwonk

Hils it is, then. #NeverTrump

1. Awesome.
2. This is interesting to me. I wonder if there are more liberals in Georgia than one would think who would come out to vote now that their votes actually mean something.

TM

Greedy,Greedy,Greedy · 05-09-2016, 01:11 PM

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Originally Posted by ThurgreedMarshall

1. Awesome.
2. This is interesting to me. I wonder if there are more liberals in Georgia than one would think who would come out to vote now that their votes actually mean something.

TM

Massive Numbers.

Georgia is 55% nonhispanic white. It's quite easy to see a candidate with a big margin among minority voters and white women easily winning there if you had strong turnout.

In general, this is why my attitude toward the various "demands" Bernie makes on behalf of his middle aged white male bernie bros and the college students who never vote is a yawn. Hillary's number one priority should be turnout among minorities in Red and Purple states, not appeasing Bernie. If she cranks it up there, we can win the house back.

Sidd Finch · 05-09-2016, 02:17 PM

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Originally Posted by ThurgreedMarshall

1. Awesome.
2. This is interesting to me. I wonder if there are more liberals in Georgia than one would think who would come out to vote now that their votes actually mean something.

TM

And/or if this being a truly competitive race drives minority turnout to higher levels than it has been (at least in years where Obama wasn't on the ballot).

Greedy,Greedy,Greedy · 05-09-2016, 02:39 PM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NHS-K7OuLAc

Don't miss the comments on this. Hill-arious.

Greedy,Greedy,Greedy · 05-10-2016, 11:55 AM

Yglesias thinks Hillary should pander to the Berners to win Congress. This makes no demographic sense whatsoever. Bernie's voters are relatively unimportant in retaking Congress - the northern student vote and the educated middle class white male vote at the core of his support is already concentrated in Blue districts. Hillary's core constituencies - minorities, poor and working class voters, women - are key to winning congress.

Granted, there are some Wonks in Georgia. But there are a lot more of Hill's core constituents who we just need to get out.

SEC_Chick · 10-11-2016, 02:23 PM

So I forget who it was, Thurgreed maybe, who was so certain that despite me talking a big game against Trump I would vote for him anyway, that needless to say, I am not voting Trump. I would have voted Libertarian if the Libertarians had nominated someone who is actually Libertarian, but I can't bring myself to vote Johnson/Weld either. I looked at the Constitution Party too, and unfortunately they have some ideas that are totally crackpot in their platform, even by my standards.

So, for anyone waiting on pins and needles, Evan McMullin has qualified as a write-in candidate in Texas, so that's the only thing I can do in good conscience. I hope I can figure out how to actually do a write in on the machine, since this will only be my second time not voting straight party, and my vote for Nader was absentee, IIRC. I'm going to vote on the first day of early voting, as always, and then hope that I can be in a coma or something until 2020.

I no longer consider myself to be R at all, so I will have to do a bit of work on the down ballot races as well to determine the best candidate.

Tyrone Slothrop · 10-11-2016, 04:16 PM

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Originally Posted by SEC_Chick

I no longer consider myself to be R at all, so I will have to do a bit of work on the down ballot races as well to determine the best candidate.

Seems like the (few) people who still consider themselves dyed-in-the-wool Republicans are often the most out of step with the GOP.

Greedy,Greedy,Greedy · 10-11-2016, 05:26 PM

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Originally Posted by SEC_Chick

So I forget who it was, Thurgreed maybe, who was so certain that despite me talking a big game against Trump I would vote for him anyway, that needless to say, I am not voting Trump. I would have voted Libertarian if the Libertarians had nominated someone who is actually Libertarian, but I can't bring myself to vote Johnson/Weld either. I looked at the Constitution Party too, and unfortunately they have some ideas that are totally crackpot in their platform, even by my standards.

So, for anyone waiting on pins and needles, Evan McMullin has qualified as a write-in candidate in Texas, so that's the only thing I can do in good conscience. I hope I can figure out how to actually do a write in on the machine, since this will only be my second time not voting straight party, and my vote for Nader was absentee, IIRC. I'm going to vote on the first day of early voting, as always, and then hope that I can be in a coma or something until 2020.

I no longer consider myself to be R at all, so I will have to do a bit of work on the down ballot races as well to determine the best candidate.

I don't know if it was me, but until this last week I did believe most of the traditional Rs saying they wouldn't support trump would indeed "come around". I was wrong.

Now I just want some of ya'all to form a new Whig Party. Tyler Too!

ThurgreedMarshall · 10-11-2016, 05:28 PM

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Originally Posted by SEC_Chick

So I forget who it was, Thurgreed maybe, who was so certain that despite me talking a big game against Trump I would vote for him anyway, that needless to say, I am not voting Trump.

Wasn't me.

TM

SEC_Chick · 10-11-2016, 06:52 PM

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Originally Posted by ThurgreedMarshall

Wasn't me.

TM

Now that I think about it, I think it was Sidd.

Tyrone Slothrop · 10-11-2016, 09:06 PM

This piece about the way Howard Stern played with Trump is pure genius.

Greedy,Greedy,Greedy · 10-12-2016, 10:24 AM

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Originally Posted by SEC_Chick

Now that I think about it, I think it was Sidd.

So your Evan McMullin is in striking distance in Utah, and just might take the state. And we all know, as goes Utah, so goes Idaho....

Boy, is this going to screw up Nate Silver's modeling.

Adder · 10-12-2016, 11:39 AM

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Originally Posted by SEC_Chick

I no longer consider myself to be R at all, so I will have to do a bit of work on the down ballot races as well to determine the best candidate.

Do you get the lucky opportunity to vote for or against the lovely guy who said he'd "think about" not voting for Trump is tape emerged of Trumpy saying, "I like to rape women"?

SEC_Chick · 10-12-2016, 12:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Adder

Do you get the lucky opportunity to vote for or against the lovely guy who said he'd "think about" not voting for Trump is tape emerged of Trumpy saying, "I like to rape women"?

No, but my congressman isn't much better. He's an embarrassment too. Mr. Chick enjoys going to his local town halls which draw predominantly an audience of people who think he sucks. But he stacks the Q&A with retirees asking about Social Security and Medicare.

sebastian_dangerfield · 10-14-2016, 12:36 PM

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Originally Posted by SEC_Chick

So I forget who it was, Thurgreed maybe, who was so certain that despite me talking a big game against Trump I would vote for him anyway, that needless to say, I am not voting Trump. I would have voted Libertarian if the Libertarians had nominated someone who is actually Libertarian, but I can't bring myself to vote Johnson/Weld either. I looked at the Constitution Party too, and unfortunately they have some ideas that are totally crackpot in their platform, even by my standards.

So, for anyone waiting on pins and needles, Evan McMullin has qualified as a write-in candidate in Texas, so that's the only thing I can do in good conscience. I hope I can figure out how to actually do a write in on the machine, since this will only be my second time not voting straight party, and my vote for Nader was absentee, IIRC. I'm going to vote on the first day of early voting, as always, and then hope that I can be in a coma or something until 2020.

I no longer consider myself to be R at all, so I will have to do a bit of work on the down ballot races as well to determine the best candidate.

I know it won't make a difference, but I have to try... So, um, please vote for Johnson. Pretty please?

He's polling nationally at 9%. If he can get into double digits, that's a huge boost to Libertarianism. Sure, he's not a real Libertarian. I get that. But nobody is. Nobody's a "real" anything because govt inevitably requires compromise. Every vote for Johnson (or Stein, is you've Green sympathies) is a vote against the two party system that's given us this pair of deplorable pieces of shit from which to choose.

McMullin is a bespoke Utah candidate. A vote for him is a novelty vote. It is truly throwing away your ballot. Johnson and Weld may not be exactly what you demand or expect, but they're closer than anybody else on the stage, and they get that word we're all forgetting... that word that progressives and right-wingers ignore... back into the election lexicon: "Liberty."

I'm happily and proudly voting for Johnson, clueless as he might be. I'd implore you to do the same. Because in case you aren't paying attention, you have a quasi-criminal statist cipher running against a con man with dictatorial leanings. You think it's going to get any better next cycle? You probably think the choice couldn't be any shittier than these two. You're wrong. It can, and it will. If a third party doesn't emerge, we're fucked. Johnson and Stein are carrying the flags of the only alternative parties which can put reasonable numbers on the board. I view the decision to vote for one of the two of them as the only logical and ethically defensible choice.

Johnson 2016. Or Stein 2016. Do what you know is right.