Mother, mother, mother - there's too many of you crying.

[Not Bob]

Originally Posted by Adder

You and I think those are gaffes. The Trump voter does not.

Right. Or they don't care. Trump is sui generis, as the lawyers say. I'm too tired to list the million things he's said or done ("grab them!" Trump Univeristy, etc) that would have ended the career of anyone other than Trump.

Doesn't mean that Biden couldn't have beat him. But his gaffes would matter. And you can be sure that Trump would have been ranting about "Cheatin' Joe" - who maybe had an issue at Syracuse and definitely stole Neil Kinnock's speech.