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Originally Posted by ThurgreedMarshall
I won't answer this for Sebby because it's impossible to pin him down on anything or have a halfway decent conversation with because he stands for nothing.
But for most people, the reason they see a difference is that in your prison example someone else is doing something unjust. It's very easy to separate oneself from that example because you are not actively* participating in injustice. When it comes to racism and privilege, everyone knows (sometimes it's deep, deep down) that white people have set up a system that benefits themselves and do not want to disturb the advantages that now exist absolutely everywhere. That knowledge and reality creates an automatic and emotional reaction when it is brought up.
It works the same when it comes to rape culture. If you're a man, you know you've been part of the problem. In order to avoid admitting this out loud or even to oneself in a meaningful way--and accepting the definition is an admission--you attack the words. You attack the people who use the term. You attack liberal arts academics. Everything, everyone, just not yourself.
I was definitely one of those shitty little assholes RT is referring to. I pinched butts, snapped bras. I thought I was flirting and that it was harmless. I watched other boys do it and get away with it. Hell, lots of time that behavior was not just excused, but rewarded. That's rape culture. And admitting that I was most definitely a part of it is difficult and uncomfortable. My small, liberal arts school taught me that that shit is never appropriate. No one should be subject to that kind of treatment. No one should feel like they can act that way with impunity.
I have grown as a person. I have come to terms with the many flaws I used to have and am working on the ones I still have. Those of us who can't, throw bullshit at people who are trying to define and call attention to the things we have accepted as a society that are harmful.
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*And yes, there are a myriad of arguments of how people actually involve themselves in perpetuating a racist criminal justice system, but that doesn't change the fact that people can easily remove themselves from fault and point at other people.
**Ha!
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Why must I have to stand for something here? I have a serious problem with these silly words. I don't like them from the left or the right.
I'm also kind of tired of dealing with people who are standing for things. I stand for this, he stands for that, she stands for this other thing. It's exhausting. Ever since Obama took office, everybody in this country has been on a pedestal about one thing or another. And since Trump has been in office... fuck it. We're a full on idiocracy. Whackos on the right screaming about how we need to take the country back. Whackos on the left "resisting" everything.
I see both sides of almost everything. I'd say I stand for compromise, but that's an oxymoron. I
prefer compromise. I think it is wise.
I think putting Kavanaugh on SCOTUS is terrible for the Republic. But I'm not going to empathize with anyone about it. So fuck me, right? I'm not true resistance. I criticize left wing lingo. So fuck me again. I'm being mean on this dark day.
You're right - I don't stand for much. But I am rational. I think removing emotion from these discussions, from these arguments, allows for people to compromise, which is where we all ought to be. Is it so bad to desire clarity in language? I don't like silly words from the left any more than I like silly comments from the right. (I have about ten emails from screwballs saying Soros was behind Ford.) Enough. You're all fucking nuts. And there's no satisfying you, or engaging you. Disagreement becomes heresy... And this place is a microcosm of the whole country. A giant irrational flip out, an endless grievance carnival from the left and right, led by a lunatic and a Senate of clueless geriatrics.
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