We are all Slave now.

[sebastian_dangerfield]

this = this

[Tyrone Slothrop]

Originally Posted by sebastian_dangerfield

The abnormality here isn't that the govt is shut down. That's happened quite a few times before. The abnormality is that the govt is shutdown over something that is a pure political stunt. At least in the past when it was shut down, there was a real dispute, an actual disagreement over something that was going to happen. The wall is complete fiction. From a construction standpoint it cannot be built. This dispute might as well be over whether Congress will allocate funds for Trump to build time machines.

Trump and the Republicans are taking hostages to try to get leverage to do something that is unpopular. They have done this before. Negotiating with them encourages them to do it again.

The way this should end is with a bigger deal that gives both the GOP and Democrats a win on something they care about. But the wall is about dominance for Trump, and he is too worried about being criticized by the right wing of his party.

[LessinSF]

Originally Posted by sebastian_dangerfield

One more norm violated.

Good move on her part. Fight fire with fire.

He’ll say he doesn’t care and try to do it live from Oval. Winners: Networks. Losers: Everybody else.

But this and Cohen’s testimony look to be some wild entertainment. Pathetic, but also weirdly fascinating.

Trump Fires Back. This is childish, on both sides.

[Tyrone Slothrop]

Originally Posted by LessinSF

Trump Fires Back. This is childish, on both sides.

Pelosi's move left open the possibility that they could strike a deal and Trump would then get to do his speech. No one really cares if Pelosi goes to Afghanistan -- it's just petty.

[sebastian_dangerfield]

Originally Posted by LessinSF

Trump Fires Back. This is childish, on both sides.

I guess I stand corrected. I still think it was wise to preclude him from using SOTU before Congress to grandstand and attack.

[sebastian_dangerfield]

Originally Posted by Tyrone Slothrop

Trump and the Republicans are taking hostages to try to get leverage to do something that is unpopular. They have done this before. Negotiating with them encourages them to do it again.

The way this should end is with a bigger deal that gives both the GOP and Democrats a win on something they care about. But the wall is about dominance for Trump, and he is too worried about being criticized by the right wing of his party.

Agreed. But the way the immigration issue should end is with a deal for sensible reform coupled with some more robust security at borders. Everyone gets something.

$5.7 billion for a wall is a Monty Python skit. He should be mocked openly and regularly for this.

[LessinSF]

As always, Nevada never disappoints - https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry...b08aaf7a86b9e4

[Tyrone Slothrop]

Originally Posted by sebastian_dangerfield

Agreed. But the way the immigration issue should end is with a deal for sensible reform coupled with some more robust security at borders. Everyone gets something.

Yes, but Trump's minority wants to end immigration, not reform it, and they also want to stick it to the libs, so there is no deal they can accept.

[sebastian_dangerfield]

Originally Posted by Tyrone Slothrop

Yes, but Trump's minority wants to end immigration, not reform it, and they also want to stick it to the libs, so there is no deal they can accept.

Agreed. But politics has a finish line. This nonsense has to end for economic reasons. You’ve had your fun, Donald. Now capitulate, and Nancy, give him a face-saving exit.

[Tyrone Slothrop]

Originally Posted by sebastian_dangerfield

Agreed. But politics has a finish line. This nonsense has to end for economic reasons. You’ve had your fun, Donald. Now capitulate, and Nancy, give him a face-saving exit.

Forgive me if I'm repeating myself, but if they can cut a quick deal, the Donald can do the SOTU on the original date and say that Nancy backed down on that.

[sebastian_dangerfield]

Originally Posted by Tyrone Slothrop

Forgive me if I'm repeating myself, but if they can cut a quick deal, the Donald can do the SOTU on the original date and say that Nancy backed down on that.

That doesn't save face. She needs to give him a few dollars plus some future commitment to enhanced border security (that'll ultimately never happen).

[Greedy,Greedy,Greedy]

Originally Posted by sebastian_dangerfield

That doesn't save face. She needs to give him a few dollars plus some future commitment to enhanced border security (that'll ultimately never happen).

I think the Mutha Fucka needs to start getting rid of some of the alligators he's let loose so he can focus on his criminal and impeachment defenses.

He needs to beg for mercy. He's just so fucked. It's so bad that even Buzzfeed is getting in body blows.

[Adder]

Originally Posted by sebastian_dangerfield

That doesn't save face. She needs to give him a few dollars plus some future commitment to enhanced border security (that'll ultimately never happen).

They gave him more than that. He said no in order to try further restrict legal immigration. He showed bad faith on a deal already, he needs to eat the loss.

[Tyrone Slothrop]

Originally Posted by sebastian_dangerfield

That doesn't save face. She needs to give him a few dollars plus some future commitment to enhanced border security (that'll ultimately never happen).

No doubt, it needs to be part of a larger deal.

[Tyrone Slothrop]

Originally Posted by Greedy,Greedy,Greedy

I think the Mutha Fucka needs to start getting rid of some of the alligators he's let loose so he can focus on his criminal and impeachment defenses.

He needs to beg for mercy. He's just so fucked. It's so bad that even Buzzfeed is getting in body blows.

Sebastian, still wondering if you think there's nothing to the Russia story.

eta: Someone I don't know on Twitter:

Imagine 10 years ago getting this fortune cookie: *Buzzfeed* News will break the story on President *Trump* obstructing justice to conceal *collusion with Russia*