Objectively intelligent.

[Adder]

Originally Posted by sebastian_dangerfield

There is no "we" here. Certain areas here have experienced wide community spread. Others have not.

I'm right next two two of the biggest hotbeds of Covid when it first appeared. Our governor imposed a strong lockdown and life here has pretty much gone on with minimal interruption (even during the lockdown).

Florida, OTOH, chose a different path, and, well... we know how that worked.

We were never going to be able to contact trace adequately in a country this large. China was only able to do it because it's authoritarian and could control its population within the cities where the virus appeared.

We were never going to be able to do it because our leadership didn't even try to deal with this.

Yes, timing was going to vary be state. There was zero reason for response criteria to do so as well. Actual leadership would have avoided Florida and Sturgis being cross-border super spreaders, but the coward in the White House thought he would be better off trying to avoid accountability.

Yes, our size and diversity makes it a much bigger task, and we may still have not done very well, but we - meaning our federal leadership - did not try.

[sebastian_dangerfield]

Originally Posted by Adder

We were never going to be able to do it because our leadership didn't even try to deal with this.

Yes, timing was going to vary be state. There was zero reason for response criteria to do so as well. Actual leadership would have avoided Florida and Sturgis being cross-border super spreaders, but the coward in the White House thought he would be better off trying to avoid accountability.

Yes, our size and diversity makes it a much bigger task, and we may still have not done very well, but we - meaning our federal leadership - did not try.

If it's near impossible even if we tried, what did we lose from having not tried?

He's a coward, and he's playing this for political gain, but the dice were rolled long ago. We had no infrastructure for testing and creating it out of thin air once this pandemic started was impossible. Trump hasn't failed because of his reaction to the crisis. He failed because his administration did nothing to try to make us prepared for it.

It's like climate change. He sucks on climate change. But the policies that needed to be implemented to address climate change had to be implemented long ago. He should be criticized for making it worse, but you can't attack a current administration for a lack of policies that had to be implemented decades ago.

[Hank Chinaski]

Originally Posted by sebastian_dangerfield

If it's near impossible even if we tried, what did we lose from having not tried?

He's a coward, and he's playing this for political gain, but the dice were rolled long ago. We had no infrastructure for testing and creating it out of thin air once this pandemic started was impossible. Trump hasn't failed because of his reaction to the crisis. He failed because his administration did nothing to try to make us prepared for it.

It's like climate change. He sucks on climate change. But the policies that needed to be implemented to address climate change had to be implemented long ago. He should be criticized for making it worse, but you can't attack a current administration for a lack of policies that had to be implemented decades ago.

he dismantled Obama's pandemic teams didn't he?

My governor is likely tied with Cuomo for "most-hated by Trump" for her covid responses. She did well, at first, in communicating- we have to flatten the initial spike so hospitals can deal with the cases. Meanwhile EVERYONE I heard was saying then hope it stays low boil. We did a good job in Michigan after a sharp early spike. And now we are among the best, at least on covidactnow.org But when new cases went up form 200/day to 400/day after reopening she keeps threatening going back. Our ICU occupancy remains around 13%. Meanwhile she articulates no end game. I mean if we are going to put all bars and restaurants out of business with repeated on/off lockdowns let's just get it over with.

[Adder]

Originally Posted by sebastian_dangerfield

If it's near impossible even if we tried, what did we lose from having not tried?

He's a coward, and he's playing this for political gain, but the dice were rolled long ago. We had no infrastructure for testing and creating it out of thin air once this pandemic started was impossible. Trump hasn't failed because of his reaction to the crisis. He failed because his administration did nothing to try to make us prepared for it.

It's like climate change. He sucks on climate change. But the policies that needed to be implemented to address climate change had to be implemented long ago. He should be criticized for making it worse, but you can't attack a current administration for a lack of policies that had to be implemented decades ago.

Who said, “near impossible?” There’s a whole lot of margin btwn where we are where’d we’d have been with a perfect response.