I used to be disgusted, and now I try to be amused.

[SEC_Chick]

Originally Posted by Icky Thump

You forget one important aspect of The Art of The Deal:

Lucille for Attorney General?

[Replaced_Texan]

Jesus fucking Christ.

[Pretty Little Flower]

Originally Posted by Replaced_Texan

Jesus fucking Christ.

People need more time
To stop our love from slowly dying
Ask ourselves if we've tried
To stop before it slides by

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1_82VE8oV1o

[Tyrone Slothrop]

Originally Posted by Hank Chinaski

Wow. Sounds like he was really careless, about something of limited import, nothing top secret, but still careless.



TRANSLATION FOR THE SHORT TEMPERED (hi sidd!): I will vote against Trump, not for clinton. But the choice we have this year is by far the worst I have seen. When your party nominates someone as compromised as hillary you do not have space to goof on the other party. Your nominee will make me throw up a little when I vote for her. WTG!

Just curious: I agree that Hillary is compromised and not the most popular candidate, and I think that had other Democrats not been scared out of the race, one could have beaten her because she's just not that great as a candidate. As a politician, which is to separate the governing from the running, I think she's a mixed bag, with some characteristics that I like and some that I really don't. What do you and don't you, personally, like about Hillary?

[Tyrone Slothrop]

Originally Posted by Hank Chinaski

it wasn't a long walk. it started with an actual question as to why anyone would think Trump anti-Jewish.

Why do you think white supremacists like him so much?

[Tyrone Slothrop]

Originally Posted by SEC_Chick

On the plus side, I listened in to the Comey hearings today and learned that my Gmail account has way better security that Hillary's email while she was Secretary of State. So double yay for me!

Unclear to me how this is different from other government email. The Chinese hacked the government and made off with all sorts of information about current and former government employees, presumably including me. That is much more than anyone has ever learned from Hillary's email, from what we know. Because it doesn't score political points at anyone's expense and because Congress would have to appropriate money to fix the problem, no one gives a shit. Anyone who professes concern about Hillary's email but can't be bothered about the government's other infosec problems is making their priorities clear.

[SEC_Chick]

Originally Posted by Tyrone Slothrop

Unclear to me how this is different from other government email. The Chinese hacked the government and made off with all sorts of information about current and former government employees, presumably including me. That is much more than anyone has ever learned from Hillary's email, from what we know. Because it doesn't score political points at anyone's expense and because Congress would have to appropriate money to fix the problem, no one gives a shit. Anyone who professes concern about Hillary's email but can't be bothered about the government's other infosec problems is making their priorities clear.

Of course the government does a crap job at protecting confidential information. Bur if it were a state.gov account, presumably it would at least be monitored for such hacks, and if it were hacked, it would be more likely that it could be determined what sorts of information were compromised.

From the hearing:

Cong. Blum: Director Comey, are you implying in that statement, that the private email servers of secretary Clinton's (sic) were perhaps less secure than a GMail account that is used for free by a billion people around this planet?

Comey: Yes. And I'm not looking to pick on Gmail, their security's actually pretty good. The weakness is in the individual users, but yes, GMail has full time security staff, and thinks about patching and logging and protecting their systems in a way that was not the case here.

Blum: I'd like to ask you what kind of judgment, we've talked a lot about judgment today, does this decision to potentially expose to hackers classified information on an email service that's less secure than GMail, your words, what does that suggest to you?

Comey: It.. It suggests the kind of callousness that I talked about.


But here is my favorite exchange from the hearing. Comey defending Hillary on the basis that she is "unsophisticated". Especially after all of those memes loved by her supporters that used that picture of her with her sunglasses on reading her blackberry.

Rep. Blum: In a press conference, Secretary Clinton assured us that her private email server was secure, saying, the server was on private property guarded by the Secret Service. Now, this would be laughable if it wasn't so serious. I know, you know, my constituents in Eastern Iowa know that you don't have to be a cat burglar to hack into an email server, and you don't need a cloth to wipe a server clean. Now you would think that a former United States Senator, one would think that a former Secretary of State would know this as well. Would you agree with that statement.

Comey: You would think. Although, as I said before, one of the things I've learned in this case is that the Secretary might not have been as sophisticated as people assumed. . . so I would assume the same thing about someone who had been a Senator and a high ranking official, I'm not sure it's a fair assumption in this case.

[Tyrone Slothrop]

Originally Posted by SEC_Chick

Of course the government does a crap job at protecting confidential information. Bur if it were a state.gov account, presumably it would at least be monitored for such hacks, and if it were hacked, it would be more likely that it could be determined what sorts of information were compromised.

Uh, no. Not sure why you think this.

From the hearing:

Cong. Blum: Director Comey, are you implying in that statement, that the private email servers of secretary Clinton's (sic) were perhaps less secure than a GMail account that is used for free by a billion people around this planet?

Comey: Yes. And I'm not looking to pick on Gmail, their security's actually pretty good. The weakness is in the individual users, but yes, GMail has full time security staff, and thinks about patching and logging and protecting their systems in a way that was not the case here.

Blum: I'd like to ask you what kind of judgment, we've talked a lot about judgment today, does this decision to potentially expose to hackers classified information on an email service that's less secure than GMail, your words, what does that suggest to you?

Comey: It.. It suggests the kind of callousness that I talked about.

I think that's fair. It's equally fair of Congress and other government officials who let the government's many other problems fester.

But here is my favorite exchange from the hearing. Comey defending Hillary on the basis that she is "unsophisticated". Especially after all of those memes loved by her supporters that used that picture of her with her sunglasses on reading her blackberry.

Rep. Blum: In a press conference, Secretary Clinton assured us that her private email server was secure, saying, the server was on private property guarded by the Secret Service. Now, this would be laughable if it wasn't so serious. I know, you know, my constituents in Eastern Iowa know that you don't have to be a cat burglar to hack into an email server, and you don't need a cloth to wipe a server clean. Now you would think that a former United States Senator, one would think that a former Secretary of State would know this as well. Would you agree with that statement.

Comey: You would think. Although, as I said before, one of the things I've learned in this case is that the Secretary might not have been as sophisticated as people assumed. . . so I would assume the same thing about someone who had been a Senator and a high ranking official, I'm not sure it's a fair assumption in this case.

I would hope that Hillary and other Secretaries of State, Democratic and Republican, are not selected for what they do or don't know about infosec and email systems operations, and have talented people to rely on. The idea that Hillary did this all herself is laughable. Having worked in the government, I am pretty certain that no Secretary of State has had people as remotely qualified as those in the private sector, for reasons that are pretty obvious when you stop to think about it, and which unfortunately Congress hasn't the least interest in solving.

[Greedy,Greedy,Greedy]

Originally Posted by Tyrone Slothrop

Just curious: I agree that Hillary is compromised and not the most popular candidate, and I think that had other Democrats not been scared out of the race, one could have beaten her because she's just not that great as a candidate. As a politician, which is to separate the governing from the running, I think she's a mixed bag, with some characteristics that I like and some that I really don't. What do you and don't you, personally, like about Hillary?

Perhaps she's just not a very good candidate until you consider all the others....

[Hank Chinaski]

Originally Posted by Tyrone Slothrop

Why do you think white supremacists like him so much?

they also hate Arab more than jews. The one serious right winger I know supports Israel, since, you know, it stand up to the Arabs. This same guy openly wishes the Nazis had beaten Stalin, as the world would be better. I know Stalin did some bad stuff, but that wish right there would result in a whole lot of Jews dying, if granted. Point is, he doesn't think much of Jews but still strongly supports Israel. I'm just surprised Trump doesn't run hard as the friend of Israel/Jews.

[SlaveNoMore]

Originally Posted by SEC_Chick

Lucille for Attorney General?

I go on my usual 4 month hiatus, log in, and see that SEC Chick took my spot as the resident smarmy right-winger.

Thank god.

SlaveNo(AWESOME!!!!)more

PS - Where is Sebby? Where is Club? Where is that fake Harvard guy? Penske?

[SlaveNoMore]

Originally Posted by Greedy,Greedy,Greedy

Perhaps she's just not a very good candidate until you consider all the others....

She is a lying political whore* who deserves to be hanged for treason**.

And yet, despite all that, she still may be a better candidate than Trump.

SlaveNo(There's the Rub)More

* Proven beyond all reasonable doubt

** Debatable, if you read the statutes differently than Comey.

[Tyrone Slothrop]

Originally Posted by Greedy,Greedy,Greedy

Perhaps she's just not a very good candidate until you consider all the others....

Look how well Bernie did, and I don't think he's all that strong either.

[Not Bob]

Originally Posted by SlaveNoMore

I go on my usual 4 month hiatus, log in, and see that SEC Chick took my spot as the resident smarmy right-winger.

Thank god.

SlaveNo(AWESOME!!!!)more

PS - Where is Sebby? Where is Club? Where is that fake Harvard guy? Penske?

Sebby is here. And although Hank hasn't mentioned that he "went to school in Boston" lately, he's around, too. I haven't seen Club in a while and I can't remember the last time I saw Penske.

And I wouldn't call SEC Chick "smarmy" (NTTAWWT), but that's probably because she has nice hair.

[Not Bob]

Originally Posted by SlaveNoMore

She is a lying political whore* who deserves to be hanged for treason**.

And yet, despite all that, she still may be a better candidate than Trump.

SlaveNo(There's the Rub)More

* Proven beyond all reasonable doubt

** Debatable, if you read the statutes differently than Comey.

* All politicians lie, but I get your point. I think she's more like most politicians than, say, Presidents Obama or GHW Bush. Not that either of them don't fib/mislead/tell untruths/even lie; for them it seems it was more about either getting thru a primary or giving the spoonful of sugar to get something done.

And I don't think that one should use the word "whore" (or other gendered insults) in referring to women politicians. I've said that to people who use similar words re Governor Palin, btw.

** Really? Do you feel the same way about General Petreaus in light of that different reading of the statutes?