Congratulations Slave and Catrin!!!

[ThurgreedMarshall]

Originally Posted by Mmmm, Burger (C.J.)

If you've stated Kid Rock's argument correctly, then he is a socialist, or at least French. If Apple can get music to consumers for a lower cost, then shouldn't they be entitled to profit from those cost savings? If we operated on his principle, then iTunes would never have been developed, since they'd just pass along all their savings to artists.

I thought that was called negotiation. You want my product. I know your business model. If you want my product, it will cost you x% of your spread. If you don't want to give up a piece of that spread, you don't get my product.

TM

[Pretty Little Flower]

Originally Posted by pernsky no account

Exactly, Guv'ner! Point well taken and please accept my humblest foregiveness.

New topic, of the worlds are colliding varietale. Scratch that, new querry of a sort. So a client sends me an email today.....let me clarify, in reality the client is a corporation, a quasi-fictional person at law, if you will, and those "persons" don't have opposable thumbs or other accentuating digits to allow them to hit the "send" button to dispurse the email. The source of the email was actually a flesh and blood human employee of the client aka corporate entity. Full disclosure: middle level employee to be exact, and I say this, because I know what you are thinking, that this person, employee, must be the CEO of the client aka corporate entity, given my corner office statii, but, in fairness, out of a sense of social justice and equity, which is what I am all about, on special occassions, for a premium billing rate adjustment, I deal with the hoi polloi ("proles" in Paigowworld, sniff), if you will. Anywhom, in short, as I digress, the email read:

"Last nite, I dreamted that you shaved your head, and the look was off the hizzle. Everyone in the dream loved it."

Two questions:

A. Is this a come on?

II. If so, does the implicit reference to others in the dream indicate group sex could be at hand (and foot, and other apendage)?

Serious advice appreciated!

No advice, just a prediction - you're gonna be hitting some corporate-entity skinz, old skool style, IYKWIMAITTYD.

[Adder]

Originally Posted by 1436

Set a bar and grant the power to any who make it over that bar.

Sounds like a recipe for getting sued to me. Both by the acts that don't get over the bar, and by some crusading plaintiffs lawyer who doesn't like bundling.

[Mmmm, Burger (C.J.)]

Originally Posted by ThurgreedMarshall

I've watched this clip many times and I just don't see how it's not the referee tackling the quarterback.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eFhJGPf8j14

TM

Looks like he was trying to get out of the way and trying to protect himself, and bungled the move and knocked over the guy.

[Mmmm, Burger (C.J.)]

Originally Posted by ThurgreedMarshall

I thought that was called negotiation. You want my product. I know your business model. If you want my product, it will cost you x% of your spread. If you don't want to give up a piece of that spread, you don't get my product.

TM

I suppose, but if he knows apple's business model, then he knows that apple's model is that it has a deal and it doesn't cut special deals (at least not for Kid Rock). Kid Rock's position seems to be "because they're making a bigger spread, they should share some with me and everyone else." If you want to call that a negotiating position, go ahead.

[ThurgreedMarshall]

Originally Posted by Mmmm, Burger (C.J.)

I suppose, but if he knows apple's business model, then he knows that apple's model is that it has a deal and it doesn't cut special deals (at least not for Kid Rock). Kid Rock's position seems to be "because they're making a bigger spread, they should share some with me and everyone else." If you want to call that a negotiating position, go ahead.

I'll do that. You go ahead and call him a socialist. Makes much more sense since I'm sure Kid Rock wouldn't agree to give them access to his music if Apple agreed to pay him a piece without making the same deal for every other artist.

TM

[pernsky no account]

Originally Posted by Pretty Little Flower

No advice, just a prediction - you're gonna be hitting some corporate-entity skinz, old skool style, IYKWIMAITTYD.

I do. Righteous!

I'd hi-5 you, if we were more proximate......cyber hi5?

[Pretty Little Flower]

Originally Posted by pernsky no account

I do. Righteous!

I'd hi-5 you, if we were more proximate......cyber hi5?

ch-5, indeed. Word!

[Mmmm, Burger (C.J.)]

Originally Posted by ThurgreedMarshall

Makes much more sense since I'm sure Kid Rock wouldn't agree to give them access to his music if Apple agreed to pay him a piece without making the same deal for every other artist.

TM

Maybe he would, and then he'd be selling himself out for the principles he purports to be taking a stand on. His (or your) choice.

[ThurgreedMarshall]

Originally Posted by Mmmm, Burger (C.J.)

Maybe he would, and then he'd be selling himself out for the principles he purports to be taking a stand on. His (or your) choice.

Kid Rock's boycott is quite clearly an effort to put pressure on Apple to pay him more money based on their business model. If it works and he gets more money, he's a sell-out (not a smart negotiator). If it doesn't, he's a socialist trying to force Apple to give up their profit margins. Ridiculous.

How is this any different than Walmart's negotiations with Sony to sell TVs? If Sony says, "Since you want so many tvs because you're in such a unique position, we'll sell to you for $x," and Walmart says, "This is true. And because we do, you'll sell to us for $y," and Sony says, "Uh, no. If we sell to you for $y, you're making more than we think you should and we want a cut of that margin." It's a negotiation and the price is set based on what is acceptable to both parties or there's no deal. Same shit.

TM

[pernsky no account]

Originally Posted by Pretty Little Flower

ch-5, indeed. Word!

Word, indeed! It's bourne!

Seriously though, Monsieur Fleur,

Prior to my attentions turning entirely to the shaving of my head in preparation for "client contact", I just wanted to say a heartfelt thanks. It has been an incredible day. A true beginning to what may amount to a life changing event for me or at the least, a decent one-nighter (or at the leastest a so-so nothing-special one-nighter, but good enough that's it better than sitting home and watching Bravo all night and fantasizing that I could one day meet Jonathan Adler, somehow, and he would decorate my pied-a-terre, at a discount, and we would celebrate with some tea and scones and clotting cream). Anywhom, merci beaucoup for your spot on analysis, kind words and encouragement.

Also, to RT and the whole lot of you buggers, molto grazie for letting me drop by your chit-chat board and share intimate details of my quasi-professional life.

I am truly feeling the love. And I know, "love" sounds like a strong term, but, in reality it has so many nuances and stratifications. I mean it's really positive and affirming but also has grey areas, and perhaps is separated from hate by a thin line. But, notwithstanding that, let's add new connotation to love, the Lawtalkin' Love. As the imitation sock of one of the original posters on the penultimate progenitor of this Board, I declare this new variant of love, because I can. Its my prerogative.

There it is. Peace. Out.

[pernsky no account]

Originally Posted by ThurgreedMarshall

Kid Rock's boycott is quite clearly an effort to put pressure on Apple to pay him more money based on their business model. If it works and he gets more money, he's a sell-out (not a smart negotiator). If it doesn't, he's a socialist trying to force Apple to give up their profit margins. Ridiculous.

How is this any different than Walmart's negotiations with Sony to sell TVs? If Sony says, "Since you want so many tvs because you're in such a unique position, we'll sell to you for $x," and Walmart says, "This is true. And because we do, you'll sell to us for $y," and Sony says, "Uh, no. If we sell to you for $y, you're making more than we think you should and we want a cut of that margin." It's a negotiation and the price is set based on what is acceptable to both parties or there's no deal. Same shit.

TM

Sirs,

I have read this thread and want to weigh in with an endoursement of Thurgreed on this one. I wikipedia'd "socialism" and, as I suspected, it requires some government involvement in the process.

The negotiations in question sound more like a marketplace give and take, capitalism, perhaps, if you will.

[Replaced_Texan]

Originally Posted by greatwhitenorthchick

Awesome!

Plus, you get a free Dr Pepper

Soft drink manufacturer Dr Pepper, which this past spring offered to send a free can of the beverage to "everyone in America" (excluding ex-GN'R members Slash and Buckethead) if GUNS N' ROSES' new album, "Chinese Democracy", were to arrive anytime during the calendar year 2008, has revealed details of the plan.

"We never thought this day would come," says Dr Pepper VP of marketing Tony Jacobs. "But now that it's here all we can say is: The Dr Pepper's on us."

According to Billboard.com, interested fans are being asked to visit DrPepper.com on November 23, the day "Chinese Democracy" is released in the U.S. exclusively via Best Buy. After registering online, fans will receive a coupon redeemable for a 20-oz. Dr Pepper wherever the drink is sold.

The twist: the coupon is only available for 24 hours and will expire on February 28.

"Chinese Democracy" has been in the works since the mid-'90s, with speculation and mystery surrounding the album's 13-year journey, ever-changing roster of players and spiraling recording costs.

[catrin_darcy]

Originally Posted by Replaced_Texan

Well, it also makes little sense that AC/DC wouldn't explore other online avenues. iTunes isn't the only place that you can buy music online. Amazon is pretty competitive and doesn't have the restrictive software. And Radiohead, noted by Sebby to be more album oriented than singles oriented, doesn't sell on iTunes, but their most recent album was released on their website and did really well.

I think AC/DC is just stuck in the past, but they can get away with it because their fans are used to buying CDs.

It sounds like they are exploring other avenues -- you can buy Black Ice on AC/DC's own website without having to set foot in a Wal-Mart:
http://www.acdc.com/index_album.html

Thanks everyone for the well-wishes! If Slave and I can just make it through the next 13 days, this marriage thing may work out . . . .

[Pretty Little Flower]

Originally Posted by pernsky no account

Word, indeed! It's bourne!

Seriously though, Monsieur Fleur,

Prior to my attentions turning entirely to the shaving of my head in preparation for "client contact", I just wanted to say a heartfelt thanks. It has been an incredible day. A true beginning to what may amount to a life changing event for me or at the least, a decent one-nighter (or at the leastest a so-so nothing-special one-nighter, but good enough that's it better than sitting home and watching Bravo all night and fantasizing that I could one day meet Jonathan Adler, somehow, and he would decorate my pied-a-terre, at a discount, and we would celebrate with some tea and scones and clotting cream). Anywhom, merci beaucoup for your spot on analysis, kind words and encouragement.

Also, to RT and the whole lot of you buggers, molto grazie for letting me drop by your chit-chat board and share intimate details of my quasi-professional life.

I am truly feeling the love. And I know, "love" sounds like a strong term, but, in reality it has so many nuances and stratifications. I mean it's really positive and affirming but also has grey areas, and perhaps is separated from hate by a thin line. But, notwithstanding that, let's add new connotation to love, the Lawtalkin' Love. As the imitation sock of one of the original posters on the penultimate progenitor of this Board, I declare this new variant of love, because I can. Its my prerogative.

There it is. Peace. Out.

And a fine imitation, indeed, if I may say so, and I believe I may. Spot on.

Good luck with your Tete Rase caper. Don't forget to report back all the gory details!

P. O.