Doesn’t Matter Who Wins the K Race; We’re All the Same

[Replaced_Texan]

Originally Posted by sebastian_dangerfield

Why can't these people do this sort of thing the proper way, by donating a building?

Hopefully this isn't too big:



From here: https://twitter.com/OsitaNwanevu/sta...92635345653760

[ThurgreedMarshall]

Originally Posted by Tyrone Slothrop

At some point there was enough time, and if they had wanted to do it they could have.

Definitely agree. They should have done it ages ago.

Originally Posted by Tyrone Slothrop

Also, the deadline, IIRC, is not weird or arbitrary in the sense that I thought it was set by EU law, Article 50.

Sure, it's in the treaty, but there's no reason why it needs to be a hard deadline. The EU can push it if they want. I think the appearance of a hard deadline was supposed to help May push for a solution.

https://www.project-syndicate.org/co...letsky-2019-02

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[Hank Chinaski]

Originally Posted by Adder

Of course it's an option. People voted in the original, non-binding referendum on whatever assumptions they had at the time about the deal that would be worked out. If May was at all competent, especially given the divide within her own party, she should would have been working toward putting the deal she negotiated up for a second referendum against remain.

I took US con law pass/fail so I won’t comment on UK law with your level of assurance. But if what you say is true why not just ignore the first vote?

[Hank Chinaski]

Originally Posted by sebastian_dangerfield

Why can't these people do this sort of thing the proper way, by donating a building?

William Macy, in Shameless character, did nothing for the kids.

[Tyrone Slothrop]

Originally Posted by Hank Chinaski

youre confusing the people with the lawmakers. You want the people to reconsider but that isn’t an option.

Uh, no. The whole Conservative party is full of lawmakers who are in favor of Brexit in principle, but against any kind of Brexit that might actually happen. Having a second referendum is perfect for them, because they can vote against the actual Brexit that's possible, stay in the EU, and go back to complaining about it all the time instead of having to live with the consequences of being responsible for what happens.

Labor has its own problems, too, one of which is that Corbyn wants to be PM and knows that it's only happening if the Tories totally botch Brexit, and is willing for that to happen if it's to be his chance at Downing Street.

[Adder]

Originally Posted by sebastian_dangerfield

They'll delay it again.

What does "again" mean? They gave notice under Article 50, which provides for a two year period before effectiveness. That was two years ago.

I heard there was some structure in place to buy 24 months.

I think any delay would require agreement by the EU, which doesn't seem certain. But just as importantly, I think a withdrawal of the Article 50 notice would need to pass parliament, and doubt she has the votes.

[Adder]

Originally Posted by Hank Chinaski

I took US con law pass/fail so I decided won’t comment on UK law with your level of assurance. But if what you is true why not just ignore the first vote?

They could have, but a majority in parliament subsequently voted to invoke Article 50.

[Hank Chinaski]

Originally Posted by Tyrone Slothrop

Uh, no. The whole Conservative party is full of lawmakers who are in favor of Brexit in principle, but against any kind of Brexit that might actually happen. Having a second referendum is perfect for them, because they can vote against the actual Brexit that's possible, stay in the EU, and go back to complaining about it all the time instead of having to live with the consequences of being responsible for what happens.

Labor has its own problems, too, one of which is that Corbyn wants to be PM and knows that it's only happening if the Tories totally botch Brexit, and is willing for that to happen if it's to be his chance at Downing Street.

I honestly have no idea what you are saying. People voted to get out. Adder seems to be saying it was advisory only, which seems weird for a national vote. Plus the morning after the vote I got a long email from EP counsel explaining how EP patent office will still include the UK and we need not worry. It didn't say, "this was just taking the temperature. We likely won't even." I think it would have if that was seen as a possible outcome.

FWIW, since Brexit much of EP has decided to hate immigrants too. So maybe the haters are feeling better as members?

[sebastian_dangerfield]

Originally Posted by Replaced_Texan

Hopefully this isn't too big:



From here: https://twitter.com/OsitaNwanevu/sta...92635345653760

That’s an awful lot of backdoor action.

I’m a pretty open minded guy, but I’m not sure I want to experiment with the side door.

[sebastian_dangerfield]

Originally Posted by Adder

What does "again" mean? They gave notice under Article 50, which provides for a two year period before effectiveness. That was two years ago.



I think any delay would require agreement by the EU, which doesn't seem certain. But just as importantly, I think a withdrawal of the Article 50 notice would need to pass parliament, and doubt she has the votes.

“Again” means that I’m a dipshit who wasn’t thinking straight when I wrote that. I was confusing the deadline with the repeated delays of votes on Brexit plans.

[Adder]

Originally Posted by Hank Chinaski

I honestly have no idea what you are saying. People voted to get out. Adder seems to be saying it was advisory only, which seems weird for a national vote. Plus the morning after the vote I got a long email from EP counsel explaining how EP patent office will still include the UK and we need not worry. It didn't say, "this was just taking the temperature. We likely won't even." I think it would have if that was seen as a possible outcome.

FWIW, since Brexit much of EP has decided to hate immigrants too. So maybe the haters are feeling better as members?

It’s weird to me that you don’t recall the basics of the Brexit electioneering, but hers some light reading. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/2016...hip_referendum

[Hank Chinaski]

Originally Posted by sebastian_dangerfield

That’s an awful lot of backdoor action.

I’m a pretty open minded guy, but I’m not sure I want to experiment with the side door.

I just went to state school, then later, on the internet, claimed Ivy degrees.

[Tyrone Slothrop]

Originally Posted by Hank Chinaski

I honestly have no idea what you are saying. People voted to get out. Adder seems to be saying it was advisory only, which seems weird for a national vote. Plus the morning after the vote I got a long email from EP counsel explaining how EP patent office will still include the UK and we need not worry. It didn't say, "this was just taking the temperature. We likely won't even." I think it would have if that was seen as a possible outcome.

FWIW, since Brexit much of EP has decided to hate immigrants too. So maybe the haters are feeling better as members?

People voted to get out, but it turns out that many of the Tories voted for a have-our-cake-and-eat-it-too Brexit where they would have all of the free trade advantages of being in the EU but also the ability to keep non-British riffraff from coming into the country. This, it turns out, was a Brfantasy, because the EU is not going to agree to it. It seems likely now that if they too another vote, Bremain would beat Brexit because many people now understand they were sold a pipe dream.

[Hank Chinaski]

Originally Posted by Tyrone Slothrop

People voted to get out, but it turns out that many of the Tories voted for a have-our-cake-and-eat-it-too Brexit where they would have all of the free trade advantages of being in the EU but also the ability to keep non-British riffraff from coming into the country. This, it turns out, was a Brfantasy, because the EU is not going to agree to it. It seems likely now that if they too another vote, Bremain would beat Brexit because many people now understand they were sold a pipe dream.

So how is this different than saying right now people who voted third party in Mi Pa and Wi realized they were wrong, so we should have a new vote?

[sebastian_dangerfield]

Originally Posted by Hank Chinaski

I just went to state school, then later, on the internet, claimed Ivy degrees.

This scheme started in 2011. That means there are a lot of kids out there who fraudulently got into college and have since graduated. What do they do with those degrees? Is it a mark McGwire or Sammy Sosa situation?

Suppose you fraudulently get in the college and then do exceptionally well there? Couldn’t one then make the argument you Belonged there?