Doesn’t Matter Who Wins the K Race; We’re All the Same

[Adder]

Originally Posted by sebastian_dangerfield

The armies of pundits and politicians who trafficked in predictions of how Mueller's investigation would find a criminal conspiracy

Is that what they said? Really? Or are you still playing the same rhetorical game?

[sebastian_dangerfield]

Originally Posted by Tyrone Slothrop

It's not a bluff, it's a bullshit message that the base sucks up and even believes. Why do you think any Democrat in Congress would feel threatened? It's totally inane.

I'm not getting it from the base. I got it from an independent during a phone call. I said I thought Barr was talking to the base. I was told no, Barr was talking to Pelosi.

[Adder]

Originally Posted by sebastian_dangerfield

But then one wonders, how many laws did the people who uncovered this proof of malfeasance break acquiring that information?

I'm going to go way out on a limb here: probably none.

[sebastian_dangerfield]

Originally Posted by Tyrone Slothrop

It's not even about duty. It's about politics. If you can't take what Trump has done and turn it into a message about why the country needs new leadership, you oughtn't be in politics.

eta: Josh Marshall knows how:

"The simple takeaway from the Mueller Report is the President betrayed his country and spent two years lying and breaking the law to try to hide that fact. He should resign and be tried for his crimes."

Oh please. His sins here are being too stupid and novice to get it done in a manner that would have remained hidden and utterly unprovable.

[ThurgreedMarshall]

Originally Posted by Tyrone Slothrop

It's not even about duty. It's about politics. If you can't take what Trump has done and turn it into a message about why the country needs new leadership, you oughtn't be in politics.

eta: Josh Marshall knows how:

"The simple takeaway from the Mueller Report is the President betrayed his country and spent two years lying and breaking the law to try to hide that fact. He should resign and be tried for his crimes."

Originally Posted by Adder

All of that and also: show that you stand for something and are willing to fight for it.

No disagreements.

TM

[sebastian_dangerfield]

Originally Posted by Adder

All of that and also: show that you stand for something and are willing to fight for it.

Oh, Jesus, it is naive hour.

We're long past expecting justice in politics in this country, and if you think Trump is the biggest affront to "justice" in this country, you're delusional. Politics is a vile profession. He's proof of but one axiom: It's the dumb who get caught.

Handing out red cards for immoral or unethical behavior in the Beltway is handing out speeding tickets at the Indy 500.

[sebastian_dangerfield]

Originally Posted by Adder

I'm going to go way out on a limb here: probably none.

You realize I was accusing the Trump people of probably committing a crime there. Just want to make sure that's clear.

[Tyrone Slothrop]

Originally Posted by sebastian_dangerfield

Oh please. His sins here are being too stupid and novice to get it done in a manner that would have remained hidden and utterly unprovable.

You think those are his only sins?

[sebastian_dangerfield]

Originally Posted by Tyrone Slothrop

You think those are his only sins?

Hell no. He's got a list of sins quite long. But in DC, a town run amuck in quasi-criminal lobbyists, influence peddlers, arm twisters, domestic and foreign oligarchs and corporate types buying politicians, and all of their bagmen, Trump is hardly unique in terms of his missing ethics. Where he is unique is being dumb enough not to have exploited the Russian help and avoided Comey's investigation in a smart manner which would have allowed him to get away with it.

You can't seriously think he's some unique low in terms of morality or lack thereof. You know quite well how ludicrous that sounds. DC is a cesspool, and the institutional immorality built into our govt, normalized even, is 100X more pernicious than this buffoon's thuggery. No, Trump is only unique in DC in being so dumb and arrogant he couldn't even bother to learn the town's rules -- the ones that allow some of its worst criminals to walk freely, profit, and even have medals given to them and buildings and awards named for them.

If you think Trump is the pinnacle of bad behavior in govt, you're batshit crazy. He sits in the midst of a city built on crooked quid pro quos, the center of a govt sold long ago to special interests. They have a whole street of firms specializing in the purchasing of politicians. And you're going moralize about Donald Trump deserving "justice"? Please. If there were justice, half that city would be in jail.

[Tyrone Slothrop]

Originally Posted by sebastian_dangerfield

Hell no. He's got a list of sins quite long. But in DC, a town run amuck in quasi-criminal lobbyists, influence peddlers, arm twisters, domestic and foreign oligarchs and corporate types buying politicians, and all of their bagmen, Trump is hardly unique in terms of his missing ethics. Where he is unique is being dumb enough not to have exploited the Russian help and avoided Comey's investigation in a smart manner which would have allowed him to get away with it.

You can't seriously think he's some unique low in terms of morality or lack thereof. You know quite well how ludicrous that sounds. DC is a cesspool, and the institutional immorality built into our govt, normalized even, is 100X more pernicious than this buffoon's thuggery. No, Trump is only unique in DC in being so dumb and arrogant he couldn't even bother to learn the town's rules -- the ones that allow some of its worst criminals to walk freely, profit, and even have medals given to them and buildings and awards named for them.

If you think Trump is the pinnacle of bad behavior in govt, you're batshit crazy. He sits in the midst of a city built on crooked quid pro quos, the center of a govt sold long ago to special interests. They have a whole street of firms specializing in the purchasing of politicians. And you're going moralize about Donald Trump deserving "justice"? Please. If there were justice, half that city would be in jail.

I didn't ask you about DC, I asked you about Trump, but you are congenitally unable to avoid defending or excusing him.

[sebastian_dangerfield]

Originally Posted by Tyrone Slothrop

I didn't ask you about DC, I asked you about Trump, but you are congenitally unable to avoid defending or excusing him.

I answered your question. Trump’s mendacity is not unique in that town.

I’m not defending him, either. I’m pointing out that he’s an easy foil. You get to feel like you are morally superior in criticizing him. I’m telling you he’s legion in that town, and you look pretty stupid asserting moral superiority over him or 90% of the political types walking around that city.

ETA: And morality is relative. He’s meeting the general moral standard of the city around him.

[Adder]

Originally Posted by sebastian_dangerfield

Oh, Jesus, it is naive hour.

Dude, you just said:

If the House impeaches, the leaks of material about improprieties in the 2016 investigation of Trump campaign start.

I mean, I get that you instantly credit whatever criticism of Dems you encounter (I recall how Hillary was going to be indicted), but come on.

[Hank Chinaski]

Originally Posted by sebastian_dangerfield

I answered your question. Trump’s mendacity is not unique in that town.

I’m not defending him, either. I’m pointing out that he’s an easy foil. You get to feel like you are morally superior in criticizing him. I’m telling you he’s legion in that town, and you look pretty stupid asserting moral superiority over him or 90% of the political types walking around that city.

ETA: And morality is relative. He’s meeting the general moral standard of the city around him.

I didn't invent it (I miss paigow, sniff) but he is Lonesome Rhodes, except he already did the thing that took lonesome down (I could shoot someone in 5th Avenue and they'd still support me) and it didn't matter.

There is no actual human as bad as him with anywhere near his power- need to go to fiction.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-zzCQLyNnIg

[Tyrone Slothrop]

Originally Posted by Hank Chinaski

I didn't invent it (I miss paigow, sniff) but he is Lonesome Rhodes, except he already did the thing that took lonesome down (I could shoot someone in 5th Avenue and they'd still support me) and it didn't matter.

There is no actual human as bad as him with anywhere near his power- need to go to fiction.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-zzCQLyNnIg

I think this is a good post. The idea that there are people out there who support Trump for transaction reasons seems pretty silly. Most conservatives will support the guy if he shoots someone on 5th Avenue or colludes with Russians for two years and lies about it. The mainstream media doesn't really know what to do with that, because their notional audience is a bunch of centrist who are not wedded to either party and who could vote either way depending on the circumstances. That audience doesn't exist, and most conservatives are not participating in the discourse in good faith. For Democrats, it means you stop trying to persuade those people to change their minds, and focus on motivating and mobilizing the majority of voters who don't like Trump.

[Greedy,Greedy,Greedy]

Originally Posted by sebastian_dangerfield

Hell no. He's got a list of sins quite long. But in DC, a town run amuck in quasi-criminal lobbyists, influence peddlers, arm twisters, domestic and foreign oligarchs and corporate types buying politicians, and all of their bagmen, Trump is hardly unique in terms of his missing ethics. Where he is unique is being dumb enough not to have exploited the Russian help and avoided Comey's investigation in a smart manner which would have allowed him to get away with it.

You can't seriously think he's some unique low in terms of morality or lack thereof. You know quite well how ludicrous that sounds. DC is a cesspool, and the institutional immorality built into our govt, normalized even, is 100X more pernicious than this buffoon's thuggery. No, Trump is only unique in DC in being so dumb and arrogant he couldn't even bother to learn the town's rules -- the ones that allow some of its worst criminals to walk freely, profit, and even have medals given to them and buildings and awards named for them.

If you think Trump is the pinnacle of bad behavior in govt, you're batshit crazy. He sits in the midst of a city built on crooked quid pro quos, the center of a govt sold long ago to special interests. They have a whole street of firms specializing in the purchasing of politicians. And you're going moralize about Donald Trump deserving "justice"? Please. If there were justice, half that city would be in jail.

Well, this was worth a laugh. Dude, just admit it, you think he's bad boy sexy and want to explore the Crimes of Love with him.