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Originally Posted by sebastian_dangerfield
That PA has already been decided is immaterial. State supreme courts control decisions regarding interpretation of state constitutions. This means that if TX has a constitution that requires "fair and equal voting" like PA's, and it gerrymanders in some insane way, any citizen of TX can file a suit, which will wind up before the state supreme court on appeal, raising the same issue raised in PA. And this SCOTUS ruling, which is limited to federal intervention in gerrymandering, will not apply.
In PA, the GOP controls House and Senate, and it has for some time. Even with that power, it still could not stop the gerrymandering case from reaching the state supreme court. And no matter what anyone thinks (my friend who works for the GOP included), this new SCOTUS ruling will not imperil the PA supreme court's ruling.
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Absolutely no one, anywhere, is arguing that this Supreme Court decision will affect the PA state court's decision. I am perplexed as to why you keep acting like someone is.
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Is this a good situation? No. Am I arguing that you're too worried about what SCOTUS did? No. The sole thing I was offering was a carve-around. Take what I said to be, "Yeah, I hear you. But gerrymandering was dealt with effectively in PA, and that case may provide a template for how it can be dealt with elsewhere."
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If this is the case as it relates to most state constitutions, I guess that's something. I would be interested to know how many and which states contain such a provision. And as I said before, Republicans are going to revise their constitutions to eliminate this or pack their courts with other lunatic Republicans to get the result they want.
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Is this good for the country? No. Is it certain imminent doom? No. As I read this, SCOTUS punted to the states. PA gave them a roadmap.
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You keep saying this about everything that is happening in this country.
Russian Interference? "Nothing burger."
Voting Rights Act destruction? "Par for the course."
Eliminating federal challenges to purely political gerrymandering? "Not imminent doom."
Etc., ad nauseum. So you'll excuse me if I ignore your take on what will and will not serve as "imminent" and "doom."
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And you seem to think the states themselves will have to take some "self-regulatory" action. That's just wrong. I don't even know where you come up with that concept. Aggrieved voters simply have to file a lawsuit in response to extreme GOP gerrymandering that is sure to occur in the coming months.
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Right. And you're betting that state courts in this country are going to come to the same conclusion as PA? You can't possibly be this naïve.
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All this ruling has really done is take away federal court as a forum for challenging gerrymandering. That's not good at all. And it will bite the GOP in the ass down the road.
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No it won't. Stop talking out of your ass.
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But it's not a doomsday event.
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Yes it is. If you think North Carolina (for
one example) is going to come to the right decision, you're sick in the fucking head.
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