Keeping it civil instead of returning to our dark ways - Page 102

SlaveNoMore · 11-03-2004, 03:13 AM

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Tyrone Slothrop
With all those ballots yet to count, why is CNN wrong about this? And both candidates are going to need Ohio to win. It all comes down to Ohio.

You won a World Series. And now a nice hat.

Relax Sidney, have a cream soda.

Not Me · 11-03-2004, 03:13 AM

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Originally posted by Tyrone Slothrop
I think they were referring to the combination of provisional ballots, absentee ballots, and the remaining precincts that have not reported tonight.

Ty, even Teddy Kennedy is trying to get Kerry to concede.

Tyrone Slothrop · 11-03-2004, 03:14 AM

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Originally posted by Not Me
Ty, even Teddy Kennedy is trying to get Kerry to concede.

Why are you so scared that they'll count those ballots?

eta: Maybe the reason the exit polls were off in Ohio was that they were interviewing people who cast provisional ballots whose votes haven't been counted yet.

SlaveNoMore · 11-03-2004, 03:15 AM

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Fugee
Regardless, things don't look good for Kerry and thus for Lester's bets.

I'm really pissed. I tried to buy when it hit 30 and the site crashed. Fucking conspiracy!!!

sgtclub · 11-03-2004, 03:15 AM

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Originally posted by Tyrone Slothrop
I think they were referring to the combination of provisional ballots, absentee ballots, and the remaining precincts that have not reported tonight.

you are right, but that number is now stale. Bush is up 125K with 4% remaining to come in. That is about 250,000 plus absentee and provisional.

Tyrone Slothrop · 11-03-2004, 03:17 AM

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Originally posted by sgtclub
you are right, but that number is now stale. Bush is up 125K with 4% remaining to come in. That is about 250,000 plus absentee and provisional.

I'm looking through the results by counties, and it doesn't look like there are any Kerry strongholds left to report. So it really will come down to how many provisional ballots there are, and whether they get counted.

SlaveNoMore · 11-03-2004, 03:17 AM

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by Tyrone Slothrop
Why are you so scared that they'll count those ballots?

Because the Dems will once again embarrass themselves as the party of the fraudulent ballot - and thus make the Greens viable in 2006?

Not Me · 11-03-2004, 03:18 AM

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Originally posted by Tyrone Slothrop
Why are you so scared that they'll count those ballots?

eta: Maybe the reason the exit polls were off in Ohio was that they were interviewing people who cast provisional ballots whose votes haven't been counted yet.

I'm not scared. They will count those ballots and Bush will win.

However, we are about to try to take Fallujah. Right now this country needs to come together and unite against our enemy. We don't have the luxury that we had in 2000 to fuck around in the courts while the leadership of this country remains in limbo. We need to focus on the real issue - the war on terror.

Bush will win. He has won the popular vote and will win the electoral college vote. Count them all you like. But Kerry needs to for once in his fucking life think of something other than himself.

Say_hello_for_me · 11-03-2004, 03:18 AM

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Originally posted by Fugee
I don't think you are going to get both GOP dominance and a reformed GOP. If you want to win, you have to have the Religious Right. Minnesota isn't close to the Bible Belt, but Kerry's margin of (projected) victory here would have been much much greater but for the abortion and "protecting traditional marriage" issues. I know a lot of people who would have voted Dem if not for those.

And there are growing political movements within the evangelical Christian community that are focusing on poverty-related issues so to get that bloc in four years, the GOP might have to give a little more on social issues in addition to the usual morality-related platform.

Well, I guess its up to me to speak up for my small minority which would have been 60%+ of the electorate tonight if Bush could speak coherently and if Rummy wasn't such a freakin ass. I'm not an evangelical Christian, but I do focus on these issues as part of their wing. I'm just saying that, for the same money, we could do this stuff better and more fairly.

But back to your first paragraph about who was needed. Though the media tended to play this down, there were a huge percentage of people who didn't vote for the devil they know tonight. Or, as Ty made fun of me for saying, the guy who is just crazy enough to go to war. They voted against him, and they held their noses doing it. You take out a few missteps on the part of Bush (e.g., you handle Iraq way better, you prepare better for the first debate), and this election is a blowout on vision. That social agenda is part of it (though I disagree with some parts of it), and its something the Democrats really will need to touch base on over time.

I'll give Sebby credit where credit it due. Some of us do want things simpler. A simpler tax code, a simpler incentive and promotion system. A simpler safety net that is (more) fair. A simpler criminal justice system. A simpler form of government. It ain't exactly Bush, but he's simple too. The problem with the Dems is that they have to pander to the complex part of the audience, where you pander to one and piss off 10 others. At the end of the day, and disagree with me if you will, but it got so complex for Kerry that people couldn't figure out if he really believed anything or meant anything he said. Well, maybe not all people were confused. Just us simple people.

Hello

Skeks in the city · 11-03-2004, 03:20 AM

CBS predicts a Kerry win.

Not Me · 11-03-2004, 03:20 AM

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Originally posted by sgtclub
you are right, but that number is now stale. Bush is up 125K with 4% remaining to come in. That is about 250,000 plus absentee and provisional.

I believe I heard the OH SOS say the absentee ballots had already been counted. But it may have just been an acid flash back.

Say_hello_for_me · 11-03-2004, 03:22 AM

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Originally posted by Tyrone Slothrop
"527" groups

Ugh. I hate those guys.

Tyrone Slothrop · 11-03-2004, 03:22 AM

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Originally posted by SlaveNoMore
Because the Dems will once again embarrass themselves as the party of the fraudulent ballot - and thus make the Greens viable in 2006?

I'm pretty sure that a Republican Secretary of State will find a way to avoid counting the fraudulent ballots.

The ugliness is going to come when they toss out votes from people who were registered but who tried to vote in the next precinct over (e.g.). That's not fraud.

Fugee · 11-03-2004, 03:22 AM

Even though many of the "marriage = one man + one woman" amendments were on the ballots in Bible Belt states, am I the only one surprised that nearly all of them passed and that some passed by huge margins?

That this is a stupid thing for Christians to push is one of the few political issues the Rev. Fugee Brother and I agree on.

Tyrone Slothrop · 11-03-2004, 03:24 AM

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Originally posted by Not Me
I believe I heard the OH SOS say the absentee ballots had already been counted. But it may have just been an acid flash back.

I think he said that the deadline for at least some of them (soldiers?) was a postmark today, so I'm sure they haven't been counted yet.