Keeping it civil instead of returning to our dark ways

[Skeks in the city]

Originally posted by Fugee
That this is a stupid thing for Christians to push is one of the few political issues the Rev. Fugee Brother and I agree on.

Actually, it was a stupid thing for the demo judges to push the issue. The issue is a big time loser for the demo's.

[Not Me]

Originally posted by Fugee

am I the only one surprised that nearly all of them passed and that some passed by huge margins?

Yes.

[SlaveNoMore]

Tyrone Slothrop
I'm looking through the results by counties, and it doesn't look like there are any Kerry strongholds left to report. So it really will come down to how many provisional ballots there are, and whether they get counted.

Let me guess. The black vote counters will be intimidated by the white security guards handling the ballots. And Atrios will call "foul"

Bush wins the popular. He wins the electoral.

When will the left finally move to France?

[sgtclub]

Originally posted by Tyrone Slothrop
Edwards to speak in 2 minutes.

Every vote will be counted - not very convincing.

[sebastian_dangerfield]

Originally posted by sgtclub
CNN is on an Island. You may want to change the channel.

Actually, CBS and ABC are also leaving Ohio green.

But they are admitting that of those 600k votes, a lot are from heavily GOP counties.

[Not Me]

Originally posted by Tyrone Slothrop
I think he said that the deadline for at least some of them (soldiers?) was a postmark today, so I'm sure they haven't been counted yet.

So these acid flash backs are for real, then. Cool.

[Tyrone Slothrop]

Originally posted by SlaveNoMore
Let me guess. The black vote counters will be intimidated by the white security guards handling the ballots. And Atrios will call "foul"

Bush wins the popular. He wins the electoral.

When will the left finally move to France?

If that Washington Times article is correct, there were a lot of people who registered who, through clerical error on the part of the county election officials, did not show up on the rolls at the precinct. If those people properly registered, their votes should count. It's not a question of intimidation.

Bush needs Ohio to win the electoral vote. He's not there yet. The Republican Secretary of State of Ohio said, take a deep breath and relax, because they're not going to start counting these votes for eleven days.

[SlaveNoMore]

Say_hello_for_me
Well, I guess its up to me to speak up for my small minority which would have been 60%+ of the electorate tonight if Bush could speak coherently and if Rummy wasn't such a freakin ass. I'm not an evangelical Christian, but I do focus on these issues as part of their wing. I'm just saying that, for the same money, we could do this stuff better and more fairly.

But back to your first paragraph about who was needed. Though the media tended to play this down, there were a huge percentage of people who didn't vote for the devil they know tonight. Or, as Ty made fun of me for saying, the guy who is just crazy enough to go to war. They voted against him, and they held their noses doing it. You take out a few missteps on the part of Bush (e.g., you handle Iraq way better, you prepare better for the first debate), and this election is a blowout on vision. That social agenda is part of it (though I disagree with some parts of it), and its something the Democrats really will need to touch base on over time.

I'll give Sebby credit where credit it due. Some of us do want things simpler. A simpler tax code, a simpler incentive and promotion system. A simpler safety net that is (more) fair. A simpler criminal justice system. A simpler form of government. It ain't exactly Bush, but he's simple too. The problem with the Dems is that they have to pander to the complex part of the audience, where you pander to one and piss off 10 others. At the end of the day, and disagree with me if you will, but it got so complex for Kerry that people couldn't figure out if he really believed anything or meant anything he said. Well, maybe not all people were confused. Just us simple people.

Hello

Hank, Sebby, Wonk, Billmore, Atticus, Club and me all have the "post when drunk" license.

You're flagged, buddy.

[Not Me]

Originally posted by sgtclub
Every vote will be counted - not very convincing.

They know they lost. They just don't care about anyone but themselves. They want every minute in the limelight they can get.

Pathetic. They will be embarassed by their actions tonight in the long run. And the Dems will be harmed by this in the long run.

[SlaveNoMore]

Originally posted by Tyrone Slothrop
If that Washington Times article is correct, there were a lot of people who registered who, through clerical error on the part of the county election officials, did not show up on the rolls at the precinct. If those people properly registered, their votes should count. It's not a question of intimidation.

Bush needs Ohio to win the electoral vote. He's not there yet. The Republican Secretary of State of Ohio said, take a deep breath and relax, because they're not going to start counting these votes for eleven days.

We wont lose Ohio.

But we won NM, HI and NV, and maybe IA, - so isn't this all moot?

BTW - what happened with ME 2nd district? I can't find it!

[Tyrone Slothrop]

Hawaii:

65% reporting

Kerry 166,997 55%
Bush 134,275 44%

CNN just gave Michigan and Minnesota to Kerry. Kerry is up in Wisconsin without many precincts left to report. Bush can't win without Ohio. It all comes down to Ohio.

eta:

CNN just called Hawaii for Kerry.

[sebastian_dangerfield]

Originally posted by Fugee
Even though many of the "marriage = one man + one woman" amendments were on the ballots in Bible Belt states, am I the only one surprised that nearly all of them passed and that some passed by huge margins?

That this is a stupid thing for Christians to push is one of the few political issues the Rev. Fugee Brother and I agree on.

It was a stupid isssue forr both sides to push on, and it might have cost the left dearly. The GOP's placing it on ballots was sheer brilliance, but they could not have come to that brilliance were it not for the poor timing of activists in Massachusetts.

The gays should have waited to file those papers until after the election. Its hard enough to fight GOP invented wedge issues. Why create new ones?

[Say_hello_for_me]

Originally posted by Skeks in the city
Actually, it was a stupid thing for the demo judges to push the issue. The issue is a big time loser for the demo's.

One comment I heard that made a LOT of sense tonight was that the presence of all the populist social conservative ballot issues today drove a huge part of the turnout from people who otherwise don't consistently vote, and it drove that turnout in one direction.

If this was part of Rove's plan too, it was brilliant. Never saw it coming.

Hello

[Skeks in the city]

Originally posted by Say_hello_for_me
One comment I heard that made a LOT of sense tonight was that the presence of all the populist social conservative ballot issues today drove a huge part of the turnout from people who otherwise don't consistently vote, and it drove that turnout in one direction.

If this was part of Rove's plan too, it was brilliant. Never saw it coming.

Hello

It's been said a number of times that gays, gats and abortion were important to Rove's strategy. The demo's let their activist judges stampede them off a cliff.

[Say_hello_for_me]

Originally posted by SlaveNoMore
Hank, Sebby, Wonk, Billmore, Atticus, Club and me all have the "post when drunk" license.

You're flagged, buddy.

Might be before your time, but straight-edge is me. Cept for the smokes. And the diet.

He(and the sedentary lifestyle)llo