Doesn’t Matter Who Wins the K Race; We’re All the Same

[Tyrone Slothrop]

Originally Posted by sebastian_dangerfield

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/05/02/u...tor-trump.html

Do you have a problem with counterintelligence work?

[sebastian_dangerfield]

Originally Posted by Tyrone Slothrop

Do you have a problem with counterintelligence work?

I believe a lot of people will find that a quite convenient circumstance. Some might call it a pretext.

I wouldn’t, of course... Unless I was an Admin or GOP operative, in which case I’d use it, and many more drips of information like it, to make this already smelly 2016 investigation and the smelly attempts to thwart investigations since it, look like a big political game where all involved, on both sides, are engaged in unethical and possibly illegal behavior.

Faucet’s going to need a lot of fixing. GOP is cultivating leakers.

ETA: Average Joe doesn’t know what counterintelligence is. But he understands the word “spying.” You keep writing about right and wrong. Like voters will say, “That’s counterintelligence... The good guys.” Those concepts don’t exist here. This is all games. You know that. Reality is what you can make the public believe.

[Hank Chinaski]

Originally Posted by LessinSF

Injunctions against sock puppetry - https://reason.com/2019/04/29/injunc...ppet-comments/ .

LessinHamburg

By the way, Ty, might be nice if you sent a PM to Ty@50 forgiving whomever made that sock for any claims you may have?

[Icky Thump]

Originally Posted by Greedy,Greedy,Greedy

Of the candidates with a shot, who in that car do you think is a clown?

Liz is great, I love her would vote for but she is as likely to win as Thanos.

[Greedy,Greedy,Greedy]

Originally Posted by sebastian_dangerfield

ETA: Average Joe doesn’t know what counterintelligence is. But he understands the word “spying.” You keep writing about right and wrong. Like voters will say, “That’s counterintelligence... The good guys.” Those concepts don’t exist here. This is all games. You know that. Reality is what you can make the public believe.

The average Joe, or Josephine, has been a lot closer to a military uniform than you ever have.

[Greedy,Greedy,Greedy]

Originally Posted by Icky Thump

Liz is great, I love her would vote for but she is as likely to win as Thanos.

I think a lot of people will make this calculation - and to be clear, I'm not a Liz backer at this point.

But I saw her run here, and would just not underestimate her in any way. She's the Arya Stark of the race.

[sebastian_dangerfield]

Originally Posted by Greedy,Greedy,Greedy

The average Joe, or Josephine, has been a lot closer to a military uniform than you ever have.

Then why does the rank and file military support Trump?

Oh yes they do.

[Greedy,Greedy,Greedy]

Originally Posted by sebastian_dangerfield

Then why does the rank and file military support Trump?

Oh yes they do.

My point was that Average Jo will more often have some real understanding of counterintelligence.

Military has long been heavily Republican, especially in the officer ranks. We are actually finding a shift in the military similar to the general public, where the more educated are becoming more Democratic. The way Trump is treating national security issues is part of that. More of the officers are likely Dems today than 5 years ago, while the enlisted ranks are probably equally Republican.

[sebastian_dangerfield]

Originally Posted by Greedy,Greedy,Greedy

My point was that Average Jo will more often have some real understanding of counterintelligence.

Military has long been heavily Republican, especially in the officer ranks. We are actually finding a shift in the military similar to the general public, where the more educated are becoming more Democratic. The way Trump is treating national security issues is part of that. More of the officers are likely Dems today than 5 years ago, while the enlisted ranks are probably equally Republican.

And my point to Ty was No one cares about this Russia thing. The game was played. It ended in a draw, and the crowd has left the building. If you wish to Monday morning quarterback it now, or cry that Trump's ability to avoid the moral judgment your side thinks he deserves, besides being a pointless conversation, this angle of attack is going to open the Resistance to counterpunches suggesting unclean hands on the part of Ds in the 2016 investigation sufficient to cause voters to think, even more than they do already, that this is just shithead politicians on both sides behaving as shithead politicians do.

It’s about the economy in the end. People are exhausted and annoyed with the power games.

[sebastian_dangerfield]

Originally Posted by Icky Thump

Liz is great, I love her would vote for but she is as likely to win as Thanos.

You say that, but why? She could run rings around Trump in discussing how the economy is performing for lower to middle class voters. And to placate the knuckledraggers, yes, she passes the “could have a beer with her” test. I remain totally confused as to why she’s unelectable except for some overestimation if Wall St’s ability to stop her.

[Adder]

Originally Posted by sebastian_dangerfield

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/05/02/u...tor-trump.html

Ah yes, damning drip of... having sent people to investigate the dude who drunkenly bragged of working with the Russians... what a scandal.

They were even experienced and qualified! What an outrage!

[Adder]

Originally Posted by sebastian_dangerfield

Faucet’s going to need a lot of fixing. GOP is cultivating leakers.

And they're going to leak that it was somehow politically motivated? No, they're going to leak that the FBI investigated credible allegations. Oh noes!

[Adder]

Originally Posted by sebastian_dangerfield

And my point to Ty was No one cares about this Russia thing. The game was played. It ended in a draw, and the crowd has left the building. If you wish to Monday morning quarterback it now, or cry that Trump's ability to avoid the moral judgment your side thinks he deserves, besides being a pointless conversation, this angle of attack is going to open the Resistance to counterpunches suggesting unclean hands on the part of Ds in the 2016 investigation sufficient to cause voters to think, even more than they do already, that this is just shithead politicians on both sides behaving as shithead politicians do.

So your take is that nobody cares about Russia, but they will care about the investigative tactics? That's strange, even for you (by which I mean a person who automatically credits every right wing conspiracy... has Hillary been indicted for the Clinton Global Initiative yet??).

It’s about the economy in the end.

It didn't seem to be about the economy in 2018. I'd argue it wasn't in 2016 either, but admit there's room to differ.

[sebastian_dangerfield]

Originally Posted by Adder

Ah yes, damning drip of... having sent people to investigate the dude who drunkenly bragged of working with the Russians... what a scandal.

They were even experienced and qualified! What an outrage!

Don’t take my word for it. Consult the polls. People see this as political.

[sebastian_dangerfield]

Originally Posted by Adder

And they're going to leak that it was somehow politically motivated? No, they're going to leak that the FBI investigated credible allegations. Oh noes!

They’re going to call it spying. I cited the Times. Unlike the Times, the GOP is going to spin that story as spying. Then the right wing spin machine will say, “Look! Our source is the left wing Times. Even they’re investigating the spying.”