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02-23-2011, 03:57 PM

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Originally Posted by ThurgreedMarshall

Fantastic.

By the way, Carmelo and Chauncey to NYC. Deron Williams to NJ (without an extension, btw) and not one word out of anyone on the board (including Hank)?*

TM

*Yes, Less. It's pro basketball so no one gives a shit.

The NYTimes angle on it was that they traded some Italian dude to get him and now there's a hip little gnocchi place on 7th street with an empty table. Mama mia!

ThurgreedMarshall · 02-23-2011, 04:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Hank Chinaski

I'm quiet because i wanted to see if you'd say "Carmelo to the knicks" like every press outlet. You got 1 guy with a ring, Series MVP and he can't get a mention?

It sounds promising for you guys especially since C and C already know how to play together.

All these idiot Knicks fans think the deal is so bad for us. What they don't understand is:

1. Chauncey is better than Felton. Felton's numbers (like everyone's under D'Antoni's system) are inflated. Watch Felton fall right back down to Earth in Denver.

2. All the guys we got rid of were nobodies just last season. D'Antoni did a great job inflating their numbers to make them look appealing enough as a package to get a legit top 5 NBA player. People are crying over Mozgov, Chandler and Felton, none of whom anyone here gave a shit about at the beginning of the season. And Gallo sucks. You can quote me. Terrible (flop) defender. Completely checks out of games for long periods of time. And is completely useless if he's even off a little bit from 3.

3. I understand we probably won't have enough space for another big time player, but if we do, we just moved to the top of the list of places people want to play. If we can keep Isaiah away from our team, it'll be great.

4. We weren't winning with the guys we had.

5. Melo would have signed with NJ if the Knicks didn't step up and make it happen. There is no doubt in my mind. No way he leaves all that money on the table.

TM

Adder · 02-23-2011, 04:31 PM

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Originally Posted by ThurgreedMarshall

All these idiot Knicks fans think the deal is so bad for us.

That's silly. NBA is a star league. You've now got two legs of a three legged stool. Probably not enough to get a championship, but certainly enough to make a bad team into a good team.

And, as you say, making the Knicks an attractive option for Mr. #3 when he comes along.

Hank Chinaski · 02-23-2011, 04:41 PM

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Originally Posted by ThurgreedMarshall

All these idiot Knicks fans think the deal is so bad for us. What they don't understand is:

1. Chauncey is better than Felton. Felton's numbers (like everyone's under D'Antoni's system) are inflated. Watch Felton fall right back down to Earth in Denver.

2. All the guys we got rid of were nobodies just last season. D'Antoni did a great job inflating their numbers to make them look appealing enough as a package to get a legit top 5 NBA player. People are crying over Mozgov, Chandler and Felton, none of whom anyone here gave a shit about at the beginning of the season. And Gallo sucks. You can quote me. Terrible (flop) defender. Completely checks out of games for long periods of time. And is completely useless if he's even off a little bit from 3.

3. I understand we probably won't have enough space for another big time player, but if we do, we just moved to the top of the list of places people want to play. If we can keep Isaiah away from our team, it'll be great.

4. We weren't winning with the guys we had.

5. Melo would have signed with NJ if the Knicks didn't step up and make it happen. There is no doubt in my mind. No way he leaves all that money on the table.

TM

you might be there now- i haven't seen Chauncey play regularly, but if he is still on you might be there- the problem Miami has is that Wade and James both need the ball. there's no question who has the ball for the knicks now.

(conf. to Adder please apply your "need 3 guys who played somewhere horrible so they have huge numbers" theory to the Pistons championship teams or for that matter the Lakers now)

Adder · 02-23-2011, 05:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Hank Chinaski

(conf. to Adder please apply your "need 3 guys who played somewhere horrible so they have huge numbers" theory to the Pistons championship teams or for that matter the Lakers now)

It's not necessarily three guys, but I'll give you Joe Posnanski on the role of great players in winning championships. Btw, he isn't willing to credit 'Melo with greatness, which is basically what I'm getting at. I think he and Amare are enough to make a good team, but not a championship team.

But yes, the most recent Detroit championship is one of the only counterpoints to the need for superstars to win a championship. They had a bunch of very good but not great players who played well together. That's unusual.

As for the Lakers, um, well, when you have arguably the best player in the league, along with arguably the best center in the league, maybe you don't need three.

Hank Chinaski · 02-23-2011, 05:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Adder

It's not necessarily three guys, but I'll give you Joe Posnanski on the role of great players in winning championships. Btw, he isn't willing to credit 'Melo with greatness, which is basically what I'm getting at. I think he and Amare are enough to make a good team, but not a championship team.

But yes, the most recent Detroit championship is one of the only counterpoints to the need for superstars to win a championship. They had a bunch of very good but not great players who played well together. That's unusual.

As for the Lakers, um, well, when you have arguably the best player in the league, along with arguably the best center in the league, maybe you don't need three.

the lakers have 1 superstar- there was 1 year the Pistons had 4 all-stars, it's not all-stars you're talking about, you're talking about some higher level- and really none of boston's big 3 were "superstars" in the sense that LeBron or Wade were.

Cletus Miller · 02-23-2011, 05:15 PM

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Originally Posted by ThurgreedMarshall

... a legit top 5 NBA player.

TM

How many guys in your "legit top 5"? 8? 14? More?

Adder · 02-23-2011, 05:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Hank Chinaski

the lakers have 1 superstar- there was 1 year the Pistons had 4 all-stars, it's not all-stars you're talking about, you're talking about some higher level- and really none of boston's big 3 were "superstars" in the sense that LeBron or Wade were.

The Lakers have one of the best players of all time - probably top ten off the top of my head - so yeah, he doesn't need as much support. But he is playing with one of the best centers currently in the game.

None of Paul, Garnett or Allen are top-50 all time type guys, even though they are hall of famers.

Oliver_Wendell_Ramone · 02-23-2011, 05:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Hank Chinaski

the lakers have 1 superstar- there was 1 year the Pistons had 4 all-stars, it's not all-stars you're talking about, you're talking about some higher level- and really none of boston's big 3 were "superstars" in the sense that LeBron or Wade were.

I can't stand the guy, but KG in his prime was pretty close to that level.

Rumors flying around here about MJ basically giving the Blazers Gerald Wallace; that would brighten my trade deadline.

ThurgreedMarshall · 02-23-2011, 05:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Cletus Miller

How many guys in your "legit top 5"? 8? 14? More?

What's your list? Mine goes:

1. Lebron
2. Kobe
3. Durant
4. Wade
5. Melo
6. Howard
7. Williams
Everyone else

TM

Eta: I think you need an MJ-type scorer who can completely control a game come game time to be successful (notwithstanding Detroit's recent success). Those guys can draw fouls, score at will and control the game. That's why I don't rank guys like Howard higher.

Oliver_Wendell_Ramone · 02-23-2011, 05:54 PM

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Originally Posted by ThurgreedMarshall

What's your list? Mine goes:

1. Lebron
2. Kobe
3. Durant
4. Wade
5. Melo
6. Howard
7. Williams
Everyone else

TM

Eta: I think you need an MJ-type scorer who can completely control a game come game time to be successful (notwithstanding Detroit's recent success). Those guys can draw fouls, score at will and control the game. That's why I don't rank guys like Howard higher.

I would add Rose, and I think Paul is still in the conversation. A year ago, Roy would be there. Sad the way that guy's body is letting him down.

ThurgreedMarshall · 02-23-2011, 06:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Oliver_Wendell_Ramone

I would add Rose, and I think Paul is still in the conversation. A year ago, Roy would be there. Sad the way that guy's body is letting him down.

Good point. Rose and Williams are both right there. Paul is on their level, but I wouldn't argue he's in the top five. Everyone else on my list is right there.

TM

taxwonk · 02-23-2011, 06:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Hank Chinaski

I loved the place. though I do wished I'd stayed someplace closer- for the whole neighborhood- I picked the wrong area in which to stay

Yes, I know I'm wonking here, but Houston is a town where there are good things about every part of town in you know it well, but if you only have a day or two, or you don't know it well, then there are really only a couple of areas you want to stay, and they are virtually guaranteed to be noplace near where your business is.

taxwonk · 02-23-2011, 06:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Did you just call me Coltrane?

PLF would have claimed that the whiskey was distilled in the empty skulls of his great-great-grandparents.

I'm pretty sure he uses the skulls of his great-great-grandparents to grow Rainbow Kush.

Hank Chinaski · 02-23-2011, 06:28 PM

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Originally Posted by taxwonk

Yes, I know I'm wonking here, but Houston is a town where there are good things about every part of town in you know it well, but if you only have a day or two, or you don't know it well, then there are really only a couple of areas you want to stay, and they are virtually guaranteed to be noplace near where your business is.

my business was in beaumont so I could have stayed anywhere- I stayed at some mall (the galleria?) meanwhile I should have stayed closer to RT (always solid advice)