Objectively intelligent.

[sebastian_dangerfield]

Originally Posted by Pretty Little Flower

Ha ha! I totes got under your amazingly thin skin yesterday! I know, I know, you’ll deny it, but I’m just letting you know as a courtesy that doing so will only make you look like a pathetic liar. I tell you this because I care. I had to take a long hard look at myself in light of my exchange with Hank last night, and have turned over a new leaf. Kindness is the new cruelty!

Also, I wanted to point out that your statement in the quoted post about how this will be like a mild flu for anyone who is neither elderly or with pre-existing conditions is one of the Fox-generated lies that you blindly repeated like some brain dead cock juggling Hannity pimp.

Please. My estimation of you remains, as it’s always been, that you are like a 15-year-old in terms of your politics. I’m simply incorrigible. I do stuff like this with Ty for pages on end.

[Pretty Little Flower]

Originally Posted by sebastian_dangerfield

Please. My estimation of you remains, as it’s always been, that you are like a 15-year-old in terms of your politics. I’m simply incorrigible. I do stuff like this with Ty for pages on end.

I tried to warn you.

[sebastian_dangerfield]

Originally Posted by Icky Thump

Clarified that for you. This virus is unpredictable and deadly. Just heard of two more people in a family that got it. Dad hospitalized but recovered. 50YO model of health. Son cough for two days. No one else in the family.

There’s a definite genetic component at work within the set of younger people who are doing poorly with it. I just don’t think we understand it yet.

There are loads of people in their 60s and 70s who are getting it and having mild reactions. We remain, illogically, fixated on outliers.

But however you slice it, even Sweden’s death numbers are not insane. It’s all quite manageable as long as people take care not to overwhelm the health system. I can’t speak for those rubes who were out protesting in some areas, and wish to go back to movie theaters and concerts immediately, but I can say even in this low information state where I live, people are behaving responsibly. The modestly to highly intelligent populations can be relied upon to go about their lives and keep this in control.

Cities are a bit more challenged because of density. That’s trickier. But cities are not the whole country. I think it’d everyone well to think of this disease more locally than nationally and regionally. I’m in a hot spot for it. The community 200 miles away is not, and therefore should not be under restrictions like those imposed on me.

[sebastian_dangerfield]

Originally Posted by Pretty Little Flower

I tried to warn you.

You’ll get emotional before the day is done. You always do.

[Greedy,Greedy,Greedy]

Originally Posted by Icky Thump

Clarified that for you. This virus is unpredictable and deadly. Just heard of two more people in a family that got it. Dad hospitalized but recovered. 50YO model of health. Son cough for two days. No one else in the family.

It's astonishing that people like Sebby, and much of the viewership of Fox, don't get that the death here are DESPITE all the precaution, and that without that precaution, many, many more people die.

But I think a large swath of America is about to find out, because people like Sebby don't shut up and listen to medical folks.

[Hank Chinaski]

Originally Posted by sebastian_dangerfield

I’m in a hot spot for it. The community 200 miles away is not, and therefore should not be under restrictions like those imposed on me.

If restaurants are open 100 miles from Detroit, do you know who would be filling them? Or should the greeter zip code check?

[sebastian_dangerfield]

Originally Posted by Greedy,Greedy,Greedy

It's astonishing that people like Sebby, and much of the viewership of Fox, don't get that the death here are DESPITE all the precaution, and that without that precaution, many, many more people die.

But I think a large swath of America is about to find out, because people like Sebby don't shut up and listen to medical folks.

Actually, half the deaths are in NYC, an area in which people were not observing precautions.

My backwash state has 3k dead, and I assure you, people are not observing precautions as they should.

Of the 3k dead, 2k are in nursing homes. 2k.

I'm not suggesting this disease isn't dangerous. I'm suggesting the level of danger is unknown and may not be terribly high if people observe precautions.

I have not at all and never would support the rubes who argue we should be out co-mingling closely. They are fools. And the Fox people who argue for that kind of change are putting people in harm's way.

But I know that taking a middle position, simply being a cautious skeptic, doesn't fit the "red v. blue argument" people like to have about this stuff.

As I read you equating me with a Fox person, which I'm clearly not, which if you're honest you'll admit, in another screen, every right wing Fox person I know is sending me links to some conspiracy movie called Plandemic.

And you wonder why I see 1:1 with Taibbi about how politics is ruining everything?

I'm in the middle. It'd be nice if you'd credit me that. I'm not against you. I wear masks, I assiduously observe distancing protocols, and I have nothing but contempt for the insane protestors.

But I also have contempt for the people who won't engage a discussion about how we can cautiously reopen. Yelling, "You'll endanger lives!" in reply to every attempt to reopen cautiously is stupid. The people who so argue are morons, or fear addled idiots. It's all emotion over reality, panic hormones over pragmatic thinking.

[sebastian_dangerfield]

Originally Posted by Hank Chinaski

If restaurants are open 100 miles from Detroit, do you know who would be filling them? Or should the greeter zip code check?

I am astonished people desire to risk getting this miserable virus just to eat in a restaurant.

I shop for food and booze regularly. I'll have drinks with friends at 6 ft distance. I fixed a gutter with a buddy yesterday while observing distancing. I walk through my wife's health care facility and have interacted with doctors and patients while distancing. These are largely necessary.

It isn't terribly hard to be responsible here.

I miss eating in restaurants as much as the next guy, and I feel terrible for people who own them. But there's this thing you can do which is kind of like a restaurant... It's called cooking.

If you are so hard up to eat in a restaurant that you'll drive 100 miles and risk getting sick, you need your fucking head examined. It could in fact be argued that the demise of someone with judgment as bad as yours is a positive feature rather than a downside to this disease. My guess is, you aren't going to be curing any diseases or writing the great American novel any time soon.

[Tyrone Slothrop]

Originally Posted by sebastian_dangerfield

So at the moment, Covid appears to be killing at a rate of 2x the flu.

Can't find the thread now, but the annual estimates of how many people flu kills are pretty suspect. If you drill down on them, there isn't much there there. So it's funny to see all these people who are trying to persuade themselves and everyone else that Covid isn't much worse than the flu trying to debunk the Covid numbers by comparing them to estimates of flu mortality that are themselves potentially way overstated.

That aside, the idea that Covid is killing at a rate of 2x the flu is nuts. When it spreads in the population, as in NYC and Georgia, it kills many more people than the flu kills, as is obvious to anyone who even thinks for a second about what has happened in hospitals in that area. Minimizing those deaths by mixing in lots of areas where Covid is not widespread but the flu usually is a dumb trick. We know from NYC that the mortality rate for Covid is much higher than the flu -- it just hasn't spread as widely as the flu usually does, in part because we don't shut the country down every year to keep the flu from spreading. And that's because the flu isn't nearly as serious.

[Tyrone Slothrop]

Originally Posted by sebastian_dangerfield

There’s a definite genetic component at work within the set of younger people who are doing poorly with it.

Why do you think this?

[Tyrone Slothrop]

Originally Posted by sebastian_dangerfield

As I read you equating me with a Fox person, which I'm clearly not....

I'm in the middle. It'd be nice if you'd credit me that.

Your viewpoint is so obviously fair and balanced. Everyone can see that.

[sebastian_dangerfield]

Originally Posted by Tyrone Slothrop

Why do you think this?

First, there was a study out of China that noticed people with O blood type did better than those with A or B or AB. There was actually a laddering of severity established based on blood type. Correlation, of course. But that's all we've got.

Then you have the gross statistics about who's done well and who's done poorly. The big story is the old and the compromised do badly and a few of the young and healthy also do badly. What's not discussed is that a lot of old and unhealthy people do quite fine with it.

Finally, you have the fact that different groups of people have different sets of presentations. They've teased out data showing common responses from diarrhea to pinkeye to fever that tend to run together. (I forget the typical groupings found). This would suggest that the virus has different impacts on people regardless of health, age, etc. That could only be genetic.

[sebastian_dangerfield]

Originally Posted by Tyrone Slothrop

Your viewpoint is so obviously fair and balanced. Everyone can see that.

I teed that up pretty high. But still, well struck. Nice shot.

[Hank Chinaski]

Originally Posted by sebastian_dangerfield

I am astonished people desire to risk getting this miserable virus just to eat in a restaurant.

I shop for food and booze regularly. I'll have drinks with friends at 6 ft distance. I fixed a gutter with a buddy yesterday while observing distancing. I walk through my wife's health care facility and have interacted with doctors and patients while distancing. These are largely necessary.

It isn't terribly hard to be responsible here.

I miss eating in restaurants as much as the next guy, and I feel terrible for people who own them. But there's this thing you can do which is kind of like a restaurant... It's called cooking.

If you are so hard up to eat in a restaurant that you'll drive 100 miles and risk getting sick, you need your fucking head examined. It could in fact be argued that the demise of someone with judgment as bad as yours is a positive feature rather than a downside to this disease. My guess is, you aren't going to be curing any diseases or writing the great American novel any time soon.

A high school friend managers a Chilli's-like restaurant in Augusta Georgia. It NEVER shut down. It has been operating at 33% seating. And it is always packed. W/O shut down orders people will be driving to get one of those seats. And maybe that is safe given the lower population density.

If you don't mean restaurants (which is Phase 1 re-opening from I read) what less restrictions do you mean?

[Adder]

Originally Posted by sebastian_dangerfield

First, there was a study out of China that noticed people with O blood type did better than those with A or B or AB. There was actually a laddering of severity established based on blood type. Correlation, of course. But that's all we've got.

Then you have the gross statistics about who's done well and who's done poorly. The big story is the old and the compromised do badly and a few of the young and healthy also do badly. What's not discussed is that a lot of old and unhealthy people do quite fine with it.

Finally, you have the fact that different groups of people have different sets of presentations. They've teased out data showing common responses from diarrhea to pinkeye to fever that tend to run together. (I forget the typical groupings found). This would suggest that the virus has different impacts on people regardless of health, age, etc. That could only be genetic.

All of that is most likely noise (this isn’t a hard call).

But a virus is a tiny bit of genetic material, so, yeah, in some sense there’s a genetic component to this.