A Friendly Correction for those Man-Haters who Delve to be Single

[Hank Chinaski]

Originally Posted by Icky Thump

The NJ firms look to Chris Christie as their role model.

are you saying I should not offer to have lunch brought into my place during depos?

[ThurgreedMarshall]

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[Atticus Grinch]

Originally Posted by taxwonk

I wouldn't dream of going. Since about 1992.

This from a guy shopping for motorcycles?

[Atticus Grinch]

Originally Posted by Replaced_Texan

I wrote this about officiating while I was planning my own ceremony: http://texaslawchick.livejournal.com/1053248.html I think most of it still stands, except we never had a love poem. If we'd had a poem, knowing our officiant it was likely going to be Rumi. I think our ceremony clocked in at 12 minutes.

I loathe Corinthians I, and I roll my eyes at every wedding where it's recited. If Bible is needed for some reason, go to the Song of Solomon. There's some sexy stuff in there.

This was our ceremony. Crib at will:

Introduction
Honored guests, We gather here today to participate in the union of RT and Graham. This is a profound act of love, faith, and courage. It is with great joy that I invite you all to participate in this ceremony.

Please take a minute to look around you at the others gathered here. We are the friends and family of RT and Graham. We are their community.

A community’s power is strong. It is our job to celebrate their relationship in good times and to bolster it during times of challenge. If you accept this important responsibility to support this union, please respond by saying “I will” “I will”

The meeting
[she talked about being there when we met. She'd been friends with us individually before we hooked up at Burning Man.]

Marriage Significance
From that magical beginning we have now come to this day. A day to create a ceremony to bind these two in love. In many ways, a marriage ceremony is fleeting. For yesterday, you were a man and a woman deeply in love; tomorrow, you will be a man and a woman deeply in love. But something will happen here today; something mysterious and sacred and unexplainable.

Joining your lives in partnership is an intentional decision, made with mutual respect and with a sense of reverence.

For many, marriage represents the ultimate intimacy between a man and a woman. But it is also something of a contradiction: this joining as one also affirms and strengthens the individuality of each partner.

In giving yourself freely to each other, you discover your freedom. As you grow together, so will each of you grow individually. Your commitment frees you to be who you really are. This is the blessing intimacy allows when respect and reverence characterize your decision to marry.

For in loving one another, you will be called in many unanticipated ways to help your partner to become all she or he can become. RT and Graham I have been a witness to this type of love in your relationship, and today we use this ceremony to confirm your love for on e another.

[There was a rose ceremony involving our mothers after this part.]

You have prepared vows to express your love and commitment to one another.

Vows
[we pulled out our phones and read our vows. A friend texted us in the middle of Graham's.]

Ring exchange
And now the rings! These rings made of metals and gems are only objects, We prescribe the their meaning. These rings will be a very special reminder for you of this day. Please exchange your rings.

I DOs
Now for the most important part DO you? Do you?

Proclomation
By the Power invested in me by the Great State of Texas I now pronounce you husband and wife.

Kinda heteronormative, doncha think?

I like it. However, I like all wedding ceremonies, religious or not, as long as they don’t do a global search-and-replace of “God” to replace it with “Love.” “Dearly beloved, we are gathered here today in the presence of Love” {projectile vomiting from the Grinch family}.

The only thing better than a wedding is a bar/bat mitzvah.

[Not Bob]

Originally Posted by Tyrone Slothrop

Rilke

Rilke and Neruda are fine, but Elizabeth Bishop rocks. Plus she's probably popular amongst ladies who like ladies, so that's a bonus, right?

[Adder]

Originally Posted by Atticus Grinch

Kinda heteronormative, doncha think?

I like it. However, I like all wedding ceremonies, religious or not, as long as they don’t do a global search-and-replace of “God” to replace it with “Love.” “Dearly beloved, we are gathered here today in the presence of Love” {projectile vomiting from the Grinch family}.

The only thing better than a wedding is a bar/bat mitzvah.

We adapted ours from a gay wedding ceremony that our officiant (an actual god-person, by some mysterious means) had previously done. It did not sound nearly as non-hetero-normative until I was actually standing up there listening to it. But I think it means I can claim to have gotten gay married (or something?) and I like that about it.

[Replaced_Texan]

Originally Posted by Atticus Grinch

Kinda heteronormative, doncha think?

I like it. However, I like all wedding ceremonies, religious or not, as long as they don’t do a global search-and-replace of “God” to replace it with “Love.” “Dearly beloved, we are gathered here today in the presence of Love” {projectile vomiting from the Grinch family}.

The only thing better than a wedding is a bar/bat mitzvah.

Well, our officiant is bisexual if that helps make it more gay.

[Hank Chinaski]

Originally Posted by Replaced_Texan

Well, our officiant is bisexual if that helps make it more gay.

I know, right, I bet every time adder or Atticus stick the missus they're thinking, "This feels good but i should at least give the other a try. I mean I've never gave it a chance,"

Like there's something wrong now with a man marrying a woman. We are off to rehearsal.

[Adder]

Originally Posted by Hank Chinaski

I know, right, I bet every time adder or Atticus stick the missus they're thinking, "This feels good but i should at least give the other a try. I mean I've never gave it a chance,"

It makes me sad that you think that's an insult.

[Hank Chinaski]

Originally Posted by Adder

It makes me sad that you think that's an insult.

It is not an insult that you may be gay, it is the insult that you think it wrong to be hetero, like some 1950s closet case. Or are you saying sexual orientation is a choice?

[Adder]

Originally Posted by Hank Chinaski

It is not an insult that you may be gay, it is the insult that you think it wrong to be hetero, like some 1950s closet case. Or are you saying sexual orientation is a choice?

If I think it's wrong to be hetero, then I sure must be doing something wrong.

I definitely think some people have a choice as to whether to partner with a person of the same sex or of the opposite sex, or both. I don't happen to be one of them, but again, its still sad that you think you're insulting me by suggesting that I am.

[Atticus Grinch]

Originally Posted by Replaced_Texan

I loathe Corinthians I, and I roll my eyes at every wedding where it's recited. If Bible is needed for some reason, go to the Song of Solomon. There's some sexy stuff in there.

I’ve been to many weddings with either one or both. My beef with the Song of Solomon was best articulated by Judith Martin, re: garter ceremonies: “Anything overtly sexual at a wedding is redundant.” The very air is crackling with the knowledge that the bride and groom are going to fuck each other’s brains out. The fact that they go through the ancient and elaborate process of begging their Diety or Dieties for permission before retiring to a hotel room to do so is just SO FUCKING HOT. Especially if the bride is showing a little more boob than her regular casualwear.

Or maybe I’m just too old-fashioned for these times.

This is also why it bugs me that the bride and groom now hang around ’till midnight partying, and then show up for a day-after wedding party breakfast (!) the next morning, instead of jumping in a car to the airport or whatever. Kids these days have no idea how much the old folks are sustained by that. It’s why floundering marriages can be saved by weddings, and why “plus one” invitations suck — you’re supposed to be porking a bridesmaid or groomsman, not bringing a fucking date whose name and identity the bride doesn’t even know.

[Hank Chinaski]

Originally Posted by Adder

If I think it's wrong to be hetero, then I sure must be doing something wrong.

I definitely think some people have a choice as to whether to partner with a person of the same sex or of the opposite sex, or both. I don't happen to be one of them, but again, its still sad that you think you're insulting me by suggesting that I am.

My gawd. You and Atticus think there is something wrong when RT had remarks that speak of a man loving a woman at a marriage between, wait for it, a man and a woman. You're crippled. I don't care if you actually try gayness. Since you think it a simple choice maybe you can take a class to cure you of your hetero sexuality?

[Hank Chinaski]

Originally Posted by Atticus Grinch

I’ve been to many weddings with either one or both. My beef with the Song of Solomon was best articulated by Judith Martin, re: garter ceremonies: “Anything overtly sexual at a wedding is redundant.” The very air is crackling with the knowledge that the bride and groom are going to fuck each other’s brains out. The fact that they go through the ancient and elaborate process of begging their Diety or Dieties for permission before retiring to a hotel room to do so is just SO FUCKING HOT. Especially if the bride is showing a little more boob than her regular casualwear.

Or maybe I’m just too old-fashioned for these times.

This is also why it bugs me that the bride and groom now hang around ’till midnight partying, and then show up for a day-after wedding party breakfast (!) the next morning, instead of jumping in a car to the airport or whatever. Kids these days have no idea how much the old folks are sustained by that. It’s why floundering marriages can be saved by weddings, and why “plus one” invitations suck — you’re supposed to be porking a bridesmaid or groomsman, not bringing a fucking date whose name and identity the bride doesn’t even know.

This is a little too hetero-normative for my taste.

[Adder]

Originally Posted by Atticus Grinch

This is also why it bugs me that the bride and groom now hang around ’till midnight partying, and then show up for a day-after wedding party breakfast (!) the next morning, instead of jumping in a car to the airport or whatever. Kids these days have no idea how much the old folks are sustained by that.

You old people might just have to think about how much fucking the bride and groom did the day before the wedding, and in the years leading up to it, instead.