Keeping it civil instead of returning to our dark ways

[Shape Shifter]

Originally posted by SlaveNoMore
Perhaps he was in Cambodia?

Not too surprising. I hear you can get really good drugs there.

[Not Me]

Originally posted by SlaveNoMore

BTW - does anyone else here recall what a pussy Stewart was - many years ago - when doing a show on MTV that purported to "retire" the song Ice Ice Baby. Much like Stewart on Crossfire, Rob "Vanilla" Ice Van Winkle decided to ignore the concept of the show and go off-script and trash the set. Stewart was speechless and almost looked like he was going to cry.

It wasn't many years ago. It was like 2 years ago. It was hilarious.

[Not Me]

Originally posted by Shape Shifter
I hear you can get really good drugs there.

2.

[Gattigap]

Originally posted by SlaveNoMore
Stewart comes out and launches into a diatribe. Carlson and Begala, both taken aback, try to restore some semblance of order to the show. Stewart continues - gets into it with Carlson. Begala sits there, presumably stumped as to what to do.



After several attempts to get Stewart to engage in the show's dynamic or to otherwise"be funny" (to which he replied "I'm not your monkey"), Carlson suggested the obvious - that having such a high-handed, lecturing, self-important twit scolding everyone at the dinner table would not be very much fun.



Something Stewart, I'm sure, would never even think about his self-important ass.

BTW - does anyone else here recall what a pussy Stewart was - many years ago - when doing a show on MTV that purported to "retire" the song Ice Ice Baby. Much like Stewart on Crossfire, Rob "Vanilla" Ice Van Winkle decided to ignore the concept of the show and go off-script and trash the set. Stewart was speechless and almost looked like he was going to cry. Et tu, Jonnne.

Hmm. If I didn't know better, I'd say you weren't a Jon Stewart fan.

Look, Stewart showed up to the show, did something controversial, and certainly played up to the crowd. People liked the performance or didn't based on whether they liked Stewart (or didn't) in the first place. It's no more complicated than that.

[ThurgreedMarshall]

Originally posted by SlaveNoMore
Did you watch the same show? The unfunny Stewart hijacked their show with his pathetic whines and sounded like a pedantic schmuck.

His whole bit revolves around being a pedantic schmuck, even when he's being funny. If you don't want to see that, then you should have turned it off as soon as you saw who the guest was so as not to damage your newly delicate sensibilities.

Originally posted by SlaveNoMore
What accusations? That a decades-old show [that the ratings will show, no one watches anymore] has ruined the political discourse in this country? Why would anyone bother answering it - it's a ludicrous statement. Especially coming from someone who's makes a bundle on mocking the political process.

Yeah. That's the gist of his argument. ONE show has succeeded in ruining the political discourse in this country. You're being intentionally stupid again.

He was saying that they are part of the problem. That shows like theirs aren't interested in actual debate, but taking opposite sides for the sake of taking opposite sides -- to push what should be a real debate so far to the extreme that it upsets people, because upset people watch. Do you deny that this is the current state of many of the successful "News" shows right now?

Originally posted by SlaveNoMore
Actually, if you think that all three of them somehow aren't in the same business, then you're the one who is being stupid.

Maybe they are. But the only one being honest about where he sits in that business is Stewart.

Originally posted by SlaveNoMore
Funny that Stewart chose not to personally attack Begala, wasn't it?

Are you sure you watched the show or are you pulling a bilmore? He criticized Begala. Begala didn't come back at him like a dick. Carlson did because...he's a dick.

TM

[Say_hello_for_me]

Originally posted by Greedy,Greedy,Greedy
Will someone here, right or left, tell me something interesting.

I don't have a link, but I'm all in favor of people here keeping it civil for awhile, even if it means keeping it quiet. Last night and this morning, I heard ads in the DC suburbs. Last night it was calling some HR candidate a "carpetbagger" who was still registered to vote in California even as he began campaigning in VA. That was one of just several labels, but it really struck out.

Than there is Lisa Marie Cheney's anti-Moran ads. She brings up his domestic violence, his anti-whateveric speech, etc. etc. etc.

I don't remember hearing anything like this in HR or Senate races until this week, and it really has gotten nasty.

Though the "carpetbagger" thing is kinda funny to hear as a serious allegation.

Hello

[SlaveNoMore]

Shape Shifter
Not too surprising. I hear you can get really good drugs there.

No, that's CANADA. Please stick with the DNC talking points.

[Greedy,Greedy,Greedy]

Originally posted by Not Me
Listen you motherfucking jackass, do you really believe they prefer Bush to Kerrey? They hate Bush and know that if they endorse him, the average american is so stoopid that they will actually believe it.

But it's so simple. All I have to do is divine from what I know of you: are you the sort of man who would put the poison into his own goblet or his enemy's? Now, a clever man would put the poison into his own goblet, because he would know that only a great fool would reach for what he was given. I am not a great fool, so I can clearly not choose the wine in front of you. But you must have known I was not a great fool, you would have counted on it, so I can clearly not choose the wine in front of me.

[Not Me]

Originally posted by Gattigap
People liked the performance or didn't based on whether they liked Stewart (or didn't) in the first place.

That's not true. I have always liked Stewart and was surprised he was so unfunny and such an ass on CF. I hate CF and really like the Daily Show. I just thought Stewart sucked on CF.

[Shape Shifter]

Originally posted by Say_hello_for_me
Than there is Lisa Marie Cheney's anti-Moran ads. She brings up his domestic violence, his anti-whateveric speech, etc. etc. etc.


Hello

Is that the one who isn't a lesbian?

[Shape Shifter]

Originally posted by Not Me
Listen you motherfucking jackass, do you really believe they prefer Bush to Kerrey? They hate Bush and know that if they endorse him, the average american is so stoopid that they will actually believe it.

The why are they taking OBL out with them on the campaign trail like some two-bit Allawi?

[Greedy,Greedy,Greedy]

Originally posted by Say_hello_for_me
I don't have a link, but I'm all in favor of people here keeping it civil for awhile, even if it means keeping it quiet. Last night and this morning, I heard ads in the DC suburbs. Last night it was calling some HR candidate a "carpetbagger" who was still registered to vote in California even as he began campaigning in VA. That was one of just several labels, but it really struck out.

Than there is Lisa Marie Cheney's anti-Moran ads. She brings up his domestic violence, his anti-whateveric speech, etc. etc. etc.

I don't remember hearing anything like this in HR or Senate races until this week, and it really has gotten nasty.

Though the "carpetbagger" thing is kinda funny to hear as a serious allegation.

Hello

The ultimate nastiness up here is the NH Governor's Race. There are carpetbagger claims, allegations of criminal activity, charges of lying all around, just pure negative after negative.

My general view: if an incumbent can only preserve his seat by going negative, it is time for a change. Because he or she should have a record to run on that has some traction.

[Gattigap]

Originally posted by Greedy,Greedy,Greedy
But it's so simple. All I have to do is divine from what I know of you: are you the sort of man who would put the poison into his own goblet or his enemy's? Now, a clever man would put the poison into his own goblet, because he would know that only a great fool would reach for what he was given. I am not a great fool, so I can clearly not choose the wine in front of you. But you must have known I was not a great fool, you would have counted on it, so I can clearly not choose the wine in front of me.

Never go in against a Sicilian when *death* is on the line!

[Not Bob]

Originally posted by Gattigap
Never go in against a Sicilian when *death* is on the line!

Well, we are in a land war in Asia, so ....

[Not Me]

Originally posted by Greedy,Greedy,Greedy

My general view: if an incumbent can only preserve his seat by going negative, it is time for a change. Because he or she should have a record to run on that has some traction.

If only the average american thought the same way. The sad fact is that the electorate responds to negative ads. They say they hate them, but yet their votes are heavily influenced by them.

The fact of the matter is that, when one's opponent runs a negative ad, if a candidate doesn't respond with a negative ad, the candidate's ratings drop. The reason we have negative ads is because idiot joe sixpack/average jane housewife respond to them.