Nutjobs Ranting About Politics.

[the Spartan]

Today my home email account was the recipient of a targetted spamming by a union rabble-rousing socialist activist.

In a series of posts to follow I will share this socialists treasonous message and my patriotic response.

Enjoy!

[SlaveNoMore]

In sum, he's a liar.

• Apparently, the latest version of Kerry's Cambodia Chronicles includes the insertion of Navy SEALs by Swift boat into Cambodia in the early part of 1969. Well, I am a former Navy SEAL that served in the 1990s, my father in law is a former SEAL and he served in the Mekong Delta in Vietnam in 1970. I spoke with him about the likelihood that this story could be correct. My contention was that Swift boats were too large to be routinely used as an insertion platform for SEALs.
  
  SEALs typically used the Medium SEAL Support Craft (MSSC) or the LSSC. My dad's platoon, had one of each assigned. These boats were designed by SEALs and specially built for the Teams to use on clandestine riverine insertions at night of usually no more than 8 operators. Swift boats operated in groups as independent entities, and not as insertion/extraction platforms for small units.
  
  Jim Rassman's ODA was probably on there because SF A teams don't have organic boat assets and were using the Swifties because they had no other means of getting where they needed to go. Also, it is my understanding that the engagement with Kerry getting the Bronze Star took place during the day, which leads me to believe the insertion mission was either a large infantry force led by the SF guys, or a civic action type mission for which SF is well known.
  
  Waterborne infiltrations done illegally into a "neutral" country if performed would be done by small groups of operators (less than 8), at night, in a small tributary, by a boat with a very shallow draft and jacuzzi, not propeller drive. To do otherwise, would be ridiculous.
  
  SEALs also did not trust anyone outside of their immediate peer group. They developed their own intel by snatching high ranking VC out of their beds in the middle of the night. They did not share this info outside the platoon, boat guys, and Seawolves helo crews (close fire support assets). They learned early on that passing intel up the chain was a sure way to be compromised on future operations.
  
  In order to get permission to conduct an illegal incursion into Cambodia by Swift boat the following must occur: 1. Extremely fresh intel of a high value target (think U.S. POW, or VC chieftain). 2. Take that intel outside the group and up to intel at a higher level (risking compromise) in order to obtain boat support from the Swifties to go into Cambodia. That is extremely unlikely to the point of absurdity.
  
  Furthermore, neither myself or my father in law knows anyone who was inserted anywhere by a Swift boat during Vietnam. It just wasn't done. It wasn't something SEALs wanted, and it wasn't something Swifties did.
  
  Bottom Line......Kerry is a liar.

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[the Spartan]

Dear [union members] Members,



As the Election Day approaches it is important we keep paying close attention not only to what happens in here at home but also what happens around the world. In Venezuela the current president Hugo Chavez won the presidential recall. The recall was supported by the Bush administration as you may know and now that his supported individuals lost the recall the likelihood for more frictions between the U.S. and Venezuela is greater.


For most of the people in Venezuela and other countries it is “good” that Chavez won-for others it is “bad.” In any case take your time to think about it and make your own informed judgment… Bear in mind that Venezuela is the third biggest oil supplier to the U.S.

Bush is bringing U.S.troops back home from Europe and Asia with no apparent or clear objective or specific reasons while the Iraq and Afghan situation continues to deteriorate and the U.S. deployment of soldiers and the flow of our taxes continue.


The situation in Iraq has not improved. On the contrary it has worsened and as you get this e-mail, more fighting is going on the streets and cities of Iraq.


Though oil prices have gone up tremendously, our gas prices have been kept to an average of $1.75. While a few months ago the oil price was not as high as today the gas price reached high levels and now that the oil price is high the gas price is lower. Isn’t it a bit strange? Think about it.


I hope these few lines help you to talk to friends and family, to become more informed, informative, and active in this year’s elections.


Just think how important you are in reshaping the political arena this year by playing a vital role in changing the current administration on November.


Thank you for your time, activism, and for the hope you may have for our forthcoming years.


Best Regards

[socialist al Qaeda fucker-PM me if you want this hack's name and address]

Political Field Organizer

[the Spartan]

Thanks Angel. (eta: oops, forgot to edit out his first name)

Your not so few lines did reinforce for us that in these times of weak-kneed doubt and wavering resolve in the face of the twin evils of socialism and terrorism that we must be informed, informative, and active in this year’s elections-especially as the polls and the media are suggesting that Washington is becoming a battleground State. Our resolve is not enough-we must make sure our friends, family, colleagues and community join us in supporting the President. Now that we have turned the corner there is no option but to stay the course in our quest for homeland security and continued economic growth and prosperity!

Bush and Cheney in 2004! Moving America Forward!

yours truly,

[a humble patriot-PM me if you want this hero's name and address]

[Secret_Agent_Man]

Originally posted by Tyrone Slothrop
I don't know what you're thinking of, but this article from the NYT from February 2003 is a blast from the past:

I have got no chance against posters who care enough to do research.

S_A_M

[Shape Shifter]

Originally posted by SlaveNoMore
Furthermore, neither myself or my father in law knows anyone who was inserted anywhere by a Swift boat during Vietnam.

Maybe they were all to far up the chain of command? Damn those intelligence walls!

[sebastian_dangerfield]

Anybody else been wondering what these ads are? I figured they were part of some huge media campaign from MoveOn.org or some other "Uncovering of the Segueway" type media hyped non-event. Instead, they're just ads for a book written by a billionaire explaining how the Democrats can mimic the GOP's culture war of the past 30 years. The writer is named Sperling, and his claim to fame is raking in oil tankers full of cash through the University of Phoenix online/over the phone/satellite-campus in-every-city degree college degree programs. That's what I've been wondering about for two months? Another book about how to whup the GOP? Fuuuuck. Throw it in the pile with the 10,000 others released since 2000.

[sgtclub]

Republicans and right-wingers support taking the earnings of one American and giving them to farmers, banks, airlines and other failing businesses. Democrats and left-wingers support taking the earnings of one American and giving them to poor people, cities and artists. Both agree on taking one American's earnings to give to another; they simply differ on the recipients. This kind of congressional activity constitutes at least two-thirds of the federal budget.

Regardless of the purpose, such behavior is immoral. It's a reduced form of slavery. After all, what is the essence of slavery? It's the forceful use of one person to serve the purposes of another person. When Congress, through the tax code, takes the earnings of one person and turns around to give it to another person in the forms of prescription drugs, Social Security, food stamps, farm subsidies or airline bailouts, it is forcibly using one person to serve the purposes of another.

Can a moral case be made for taking the rightful property of one American and giving it to another to whom it does not belong? I think not. That's why socialism is evil. It uses evil means (coercion) to achieve what are seen as good ends (helping people). We might also note that an act that is inherently evil does not become moral simply because there's a majority consensus.

http://www.townhall.com/columnists/w...20040728.shtml

[sebastian_dangerfield]

Originally posted by SlaveNoMore
In sum, he's a liar.

• Apparently, the latest version of Kerry's Cambodia Chronicles includes the insertion of Navy SEALs by Swift boat into Cambodia in the early part of 1969. Well, I am a former Navy SEAL that served in the 1990s, my father in law is a former SEAL and he served in the Mekong Delta in Vietnam in 1970. I spoke with him about the likelihood that this story could be correct. My contention was that Swift boats were too large to be routinely used as an insertion platform for SEALs.
  
  SEALs typically used the Medium SEAL Support Craft (MSSC) or the LSSC. My dad's platoon, had one of each assigned. These boats were designed by SEALs and specially built for the Teams to use on clandestine riverine insertions at night of usually no more than 8 operators. Swift boats operated in groups as independent entities, and not as insertion/extraction platforms for small units.
  
  Jim Rassman's ODA was probably on there because SF A teams don't have organic boat assets and were using the Swifties because they had no other means of getting where they needed to go. Also, it is my understanding that the engagement with Kerry getting the Bronze Star took place during the day, which leads me to believe the insertion mission was either a large infantry force led by the SF guys, or a civic action type mission for which SF is well known.
  
  Waterborne infiltrations done illegally into a "neutral" country if performed would be done by small groups of operators (less than 8), at night, in a small tributary, by a boat with a very shallow draft and jacuzzi, not propeller drive. To do otherwise, would be ridiculous.
  
  SEALs also did not trust anyone outside of their immediate peer group. They developed their own intel by snatching high ranking VC out of their beds in the middle of the night. They did not share this info outside the platoon, boat guys, and Seawolves helo crews (close fire support assets). They learned early on that passing intel up the chain was a sure way to be compromised on future operations.
  
  In order to get permission to conduct an illegal incursion into Cambodia by Swift boat the following must occur: 1. Extremely fresh intel of a high value target (think U.S. POW, or VC chieftain). 2. Take that intel outside the group and up to intel at a higher level (risking compromise) in order to obtain boat support from the Swifties to go into Cambodia. That is extremely unlikely to the point of absurdity.
  
  Furthermore, neither myself or my father in law knows anyone who was inserted anywhere by a Swift boat during Vietnam. It just wasn't done. It wasn't something SEALs wanted, and it wasn't something Swifties did.
  
  Bottom Line......Kerry is a liar.

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They're all liars. So you've exposed an insignificant lie. OK.

Would you like moe to make a list of all the lies told by all four men presently running for Pres/VP? You got a few spare days. If we start now, I think I can get them all cataloged for you by noon Friday.

I don't care that Kerry lied. This might be the stupidest debate to ever touch this board, and that's coming from me - the king of stupid debates. Think of candidates like contracts. Its not any one clause that forms the basis of the bargain - its the totality of the terms. Kerry's lie is tantamount to him violating a clause which requires payment by Thursday by mailing the check Thursday. It is relevant and worth noting, but it isn't a full breach of anything. Now, Bush's lies... well, now you're in big time breach category, starting with "I'm a compassionate Rockefeller conservative" and ending with "Saddam was threat to national security."

However, just as Kerry's swift boat lies don't make him an entirely defective candidate, neither do Bush's lies. There was a method to his madness. I think he really wanted to take the war off our shores and felt the ends justified the means in doing so.

Maybe if the fucking GOP and the Dems would view the totality of the candidates, instead of gloming onto whatever dirt they can find, we'd have a real debate, instead of this pointless SwiftBoat circle jerk.

Or maybe I'm nuts for thinking a candidate is the sum of his parts, rather than only as good as his most noticeable fuck up.

[sebastian_dangerfield]

Originally posted by Gattigap
Ann lets her hair down in an interview across the pond, letting us know (among other things) that the French are "faggots," the Pakistanis "never very high in anyone's caste system, are they. Poor little Pakis."

God, is that hot. It's a shame she doesn't say this stuff stateside. Club, maybe we can get this included as a caption underneath the August pinup poster.

On terrorists: "The question is not, 'Are all Muslims terrorists?' The question is, 'Are all terrorists Muslims?' And the answer is yes - every one I have to worry about."

Whew! Thank God she remembered she was in London, or we might not have gotten that last part in. Would hate to see the Brits realize that all this time they've been looking for the wrong people in Belfast.

I leafed through this stupid twist's book Treason over the weekend. I absolutely loved how she Rube Goldberged liberals into Anti-Semites. It was perhaps THE most tortured argument since Starr's justification of $50 million in Whitewater Investigation expenditures.

Coulter is so shrill in her commentary that you can't help but wonder if she considers herself a Gonzo writer. Unfortunately, she lacks the self deprecating humor and wit necessary for that shtick.

Even from a purely literary perspective, the book is junk. It bounces across history and from topic to topic like an ADD riddled idiot's attempt at an epic poem. I still don't know what her point was except to stand athwart the last 50 years of politics and scream "I hate ____________."

[sgtclub]

http://www.latimes.com/news/nationwo...home-headlines

[Say_hello_for_me]

Originally posted by sgtclub
http://www.townhall.com/columnists/w...20040728.shtml

While I like the tone of the article, I think various answers to this question: "Can a moral case be made for taking the rightful property of one American and giving it to another to whom it does not belong?" would make for an interesting discussion.

I'd argue that we all voluntarily (in a way) subscribe to a net-social-good system that subjects us to the whim of the majority vis-a-vis taxes. So its not so much a taking as a giving. In some ways, we are merely giving to ourselves (with a 30% inefficiency-of-government markup)!

That said, turn that argument around. Is there a moral case to be made for accepting the property of another American to whome is did belong? Democrats, children, old people, medicaid/medicare abusers, junkies-in-rehab, well-fed-prisoners, and the rest of you welfarites, ya listening? Speak up now or forever refuse my aid. You don't deserve it. Of course, I don't want none of that nohows anyway.

Hello

[taxwonk]

Originally posted by Tyrone Slothrop
Michael Kinsley wrote a new piece on the stem-cell issue in yesterday's paper, and through the miracle of information technology I bring it to you. Dunno about anyone else, but I would pay to see a Kinsley/Laura Bush iron-cage match.

On the basis of the stem cell issue alone, I think Bush is evil epitomized, and [that any man who is willing to put my life and the lives of millions of people at risk in order to curry favor with a small but vocal voting bloc deserves to find himself the victim of the sort of poetic justice that would result from him being in the position one day of having his life dependent upon a cure that won't be found in his lifetime for a disease that could have been treated with the appropriate measure of stem cell research.]

edited by RT to reflect amendment

[Mmmm, Burger (C.J.)]

Originally posted by taxwonk
On the basis of the stem cell issue alone, I think Bush is evil epitomized,

Why does that issue get you so hot? There are plenty of reasons to feel the way you do--I'm just surprised this one is foremost. To me, it's only a few steps above getting pissed off at Bush 1 for cutting NEA funding because of its support of works such as PissChrist.

[Aloha Mr. Learned Hand]

Originally posted by taxwonk
Quote about the President.

Note to the Secret Service: The views expressed are those of the author alone and do not necessarily reflect those of the management of lawtalkers.com.

Seriously, Wonk. That's out of line...