Do Lawtalkers Dream of Electric Sheep?

[taxwonk]

Originally posted by Replaced_Texan
Why do you say that?

Primarily because it's the sort of thing that would, after a few hours, bore a kid to tears. In addition, there is a massive crowd, the weather is rather robust for a little kid, the noise and distraction will prevent the kid from getting enough sleep, and the lack of privacy in bathing and other personal function is something that a 10-year old is going to feel much more acutely than an adult.

There is also the fact that the child would be exposed to a whole lot of things that someone that agge isn't really equipped with the experience and judgement to put into appropriate context, but my thought at the time I made the comment was that it showed very little concern for the kid's safety, comfort, or attention span.

[taxwonk]

Originally posted by Replaced_Texan
I guess it probably wouldn't make much sense unless you've been there and this is going to sound cheesy, but Burning Man isn't necessary an eight day drug infested naked party. I suppose it can be for some people, if that's what they choose. But it's become a city of 50,000 people, with lots of different things going on, many of which have nothing to do with sex or drugs or alcohol. Everyone in our camp (about 40 people) knew that this girl was coming, and she had at least four people in addition to her father keeping an eye on her at all times. Everyone was respectful of her age and made sure that she was well taken care of. And she fully participated, by creating her own art project for the deep playa (something she called the Way Outhouse involivng a glow in the dark buddah, solar panels and a lot of old lumber), by hanging out on the art car (which she spent a lot of time helping to build last spring), by exploring the city with us, and sharing our camp with whoever came through. She stayed in an RV with her dad, so she had better shelter than most people who go to Burning Man.

One of my favorite memories was watching her challenge a total stranger to a lightsabre duel on Burn night. The guy was walking by our car as we were waiting for the oil derek to blow, and he was armed with a lightsabre (there'd been a Jedi rampage a few days before, so there were lightsabres all over the playa). She jumped off the car and had a blast in battle for a few minutes until she defeated him. She hopped back on the car and everyone who was standing around applauded her.

I don't think she's no less scarred by the experience than she would have been going to Disney World. Certainly it's as visually stimulating as Disney World, and possibly as interactive. But then I like this kid (and her dad) a lot and think she's an interesting person. I was glad she camped with us.

I know that kids differ, and you know her better than me. It would take a very unusual child for that age not to find the experience a lot of fun at first, but ultimately very tiring and kind of intimidating at the same time.

If she wasn't, then I sort of halfway take back what I said, but it was presuming an anwful lot for her parent to think that it was a good idea to take a kid that little to a place that has absolutely nothing kid-oriented for 8 whole days and nights.

[Replaced_Texan]

Originally posted by taxwonk
I know that kids differ, and you know her better than me. It would take a very unusual child for that age not to find the experience a lot of fun at first, but ultimately very tiring and kind of intimidating at the same time.

If she wasn't, then I sort of halfway take back what I said, but it was presuming an anwful lot for her parent to think that it was a good idea to take a kid that little to a place that has absolutely nothing kid-oriented for 8 whole days and nights.

She got there on Thursday and left the following Tuesday, so she wasn't there the whole time. Some kids are, though.

There's a whole village called Kidsville that's been going for years. About 40 families a year camp there, though it's not the only place that kids camp. Camps like the Necklace Factory and Barbie Death Camp have activities that don't seem all that different from what kids already do (making necklaces and mutilating Barbies).

I certainly wouldn't bring a younger kid with my to my first Burn, without having an idea what the whole thing is all about or what there might be at the Playa that kids would enjoy. And I probably wouldn't bring really little kids, because of the extreme weather conditions. But with a few of my own Burns under my belt, and an older kid that had grown up in a less-than-mainstream household, I think it's probably an awesome experience.

[Brad Pitt]

Originally posted by ThurgreedMarshall
She's the first driver, if you're keeping score at home.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=npTRXr4Sgxg

TM

Awesome video. It brought me back to my childhood. Not the chaotic and destructive part of it -- the part that was blissfully entertained by watching things crash into each other.

The irony is that here in Los Angeles, that's how people drive when it rains, even a little.

[Diane_Keaton]

Originally posted by taxwonk
Primarily because it's the sort of thing that would, after a few hours, bore a kid to tears. In addition, there is a massive crowd, the weather is rather robust for a little kid, the noise and distraction will prevent the kid from getting enough sleep, and the lack of privacy in bathing and other personal function is something that a 10-year old is going to feel much more acutely than an adult.

There is also the fact that the child would be exposed to a whole lot of things that someone that agge isn't really equipped with the experience and judgement to put into appropriate context, but my thought at the time I made the comment was that it showed very little concern for the kid's safety, comfort, or attention span.

Summary: Back in MY day, YOU didn't have..."Burning Man." If you wanted to "have fun" you'd run around in your damn flammable pajamas. That was OUR Burning Man, and we LIKED it that way. Meh.

[Hank Chinaski]

Originally posted by taxwonk
Primarily because it's the sort of thing that would, after a few hours, bore a kid to tears. In addition, there is a massive crowd, the weather is rather robust for a little kid, the noise and distraction will prevent the kid from getting enough sleep, and the lack of privacy in bathing and other personal function is something that a 10-year old is going to feel much more acutely than an adult.

There is also the fact that the child would be exposed to a whole lot of things that someone that agge isn't really equipped with the experience and judgement to put into appropriate context, but my thought at the time I made the comment was that it showed very little concern for the kid's safety, comfort, or attention span.

most 10 year old kids were home playing video games.

[Hank Chinaski]

Originally posted by Replaced_Texan
I guess it probably wouldn't make much sense unless you've been there and this is going to sound cheesy, but Burning Man isn't necessary an eight day drug infested naked party. I suppose it can be for some people, if that's what they choose. But it's become a city of 50,000 people, with lots of different things going on, many of which have nothing to do with sex or drugs or alcohol. Everyone in our camp (about 40 people) knew that this girl was coming, and she had at least four people in addition to her father keeping an eye on her at all times. Everyone was respectful of her age and made sure that she was well taken care of. And she fully participated, by creating her own art project for the deep playa (something she called the Way Outhouse involivng a glow in the dark buddah, solar panels and a lot of old lumber), by hanging out on the art car (which she spent a lot of time helping to build last spring), by exploring the city with us, and sharing our camp with whoever came through. She stayed in an RV with her dad, so she had better shelter than most people who go to Burning Man.

One of my favorite memories was watching her challenge a total stranger to a lightsabre duel on Burn night. The guy was walking by our car as we were waiting for the oil derek to blow, and he was armed with a lightsabre (there'd been a Jedi rampage a few days before, so there were lightsabres all over the playa). She jumped off the car and had a blast in battle for a few minutes until she defeated him. She hopped back on the car and everyone who was standing around applauded her.

I don't think she's no less scarred by the experience than she would have been going to Disney World. Certainly it's as visually stimulating as Disney World, and possibly as interactive. But then I like this kid (and her dad) a lot and think she's an interesting person. I was glad she camped with us.

but if we want to we can still see tits, right?

[Icky Thump]

Originally posted by taxwonk
Primarily because it's the sort of thing that would, after a few hours, bore a kid to tears. In addition, there is a massive crowd, the weather is rather robust for a little kid, the noise and distraction will prevent the kid from getting enough sleep, and the lack of privacy in bathing and other personal function is something that a 10-year old is going to feel much more acutely than an adult.

There is also the fact that the child would be exposed to a whole lot of things that someone that agge isn't really equipped with the experience and judgement to put into appropriate context, but my thought at the time I made the comment was that it showed very little concern for the kid's safety, comfort, or attention span.

and someone here complained about people bringing kids to the movies?

[Hank Chinaski]

Originally posted by Pretty Little Flower
Oops. A rare STP error.

can I get a ruling? since almost everything PLF posts copies something he posted before, wouldn't every one of his posts for the past 3 or 4 years have been a STP error? I mean i like reading him, but I have some Timmy in me.

[bling trade]

Originally posted by Brad Pitt
The irony is that here in Los Angeles, that's how people drive when it rains, even a little.

It's great watching the freeway in CA in a rainstorm. Fools in SUV's think they're invincible, until they hydroplane and get scared shitless.

[Diane_Keaton]

Originally posted by Hank Chinaski
almost everything PLF posts copies something he posted before

I voted you and PLF most creative. You don't like sharing do you?

[Hank Chinaski]

Originally posted by Diane_Keaton
I voted you and PLF most creative. You don't like sharing do you?

cain killed abel.

[taxwonk]

Originally posted by Replaced_Texan
She got there on Thursday and left the following Tuesday, so she wasn't there the whole time. Some kids are, though.

There's a whole village called Kidsville that's been going for years. About 40 families a year camp there, though it's not the only place that kids camp. Camps like the Necklace Factory and Barbie Death Camp have activities that don't seem all that different from what kids already do (making necklaces and mutilating Barbies).

I certainly wouldn't bring a younger kid with my to my first Burn, without having an idea what the whole thing is all about or what there might be at the Playa that kids would enjoy. And I probably wouldn't bring really little kids, because of the extreme weather conditions. But with a few of my own Burns under my belt, and an older kid that had grown up in a less-than-mainstream household, I think it's probably an awesome experience.

I didn't realize there was that much for children. I guess I was making assumptions I shouldn't have made, but with everything I have heard about Burning Man, I have never heard about any child-oriented activity.

[Tyrone Slothrop]

"I'm not shooting great since I got here because I'm not used to being so wide open."

[ThurgreedMarshall]

Originally posted by Replaced_Texan
I certainly wouldn't bring a younger kid with my to my first Burn, without having an idea what the whole thing is all about or what there might be at the Playa that kids would enjoy. And I probably wouldn't bring really little kids, because of the extreme weather conditions. But with a few of my own Burns under my belt, and an older kid that had grown up in a less-than-mainstream household, I think it's probably an awesome experience.

Speaking of kids who are mature beyond their years:

1. I saw Juno last night. Very good movie. It took me awhile to get into Juno's "voice," but once I got used to the rhythm, it was a really well-written movie. The one critique I've seen of Cody's style in this movie is that Juno seems way too mature for her age. And I think that's valid, since she sounds like a cool, 35 year old, ex-stripper who has seen quite a lot. Her voice is very distinctive. I'll be interested to see if she has any range as a writer or if every movie has this same style or feel.

2. Is anyone else watching In Treatment? Absolutely fantastic show.

TM