Posting Towards Gomorrah

[Hank Chinaski]

Originally posted by Spanky
Where is the flaw in my logic? (If you are going to argue with this post please pick out the number of the specific statement that you disagree with and point out why its assumption is wrong).

1) In order for Al Queda to operate effectively, and to pull off further terrorist attacks, it must keep the identities of its operatives secret.

2) One of the most effective ways to hamper Al Queda effectiveness is to expose what individuals are working with them

3) One place this extremely valuable information (the identities of Al Queda operatives) can definitely be secured is from captured Al Queda operatives.

4) It is part of human nature not to want to expose ones friends and colleagues to danger.

5) The stronger the bond between individuals, the less likely it is they will betray their friends and colleagues.

6) When fighting for a common cause these bonds become even tighter to the point where friends and colleagues are willing to sacrifice their lives for each other.

7) Strong religious belief in ones cause makes individuals even more committed to their causes than normal.

8) Many Al Queda operative have so much religious zeal they are willing to die for their cause.

9) Al Queda operatives, because of their religious zeal, and bonds formed through fighting for a common cause, are going to be extremely reluctant to divulge the identities of their fellow conspirators.

10) It will take a very strong incentive to get these operatives to divulge the names of their fellow members.

11) Pain, mental and physical abuse, and the fear of those, are proven tools to get people to do things they normally wouldn't do.

12) Besides pain, mental and physical abuse, and the fear of such things, there are no other consistently effective methods that can be used to get these Al Queda operatives to betray their colleagues.

13) Although such tactics may sometimes get captured Al Queda operatives to give up bad information, that does not mean that these tactics do not sometimes produce valuable information

14) One way to reduce the ratio of good information to bad information produced by the captive using such techniques is to let the captive know that if the information they give out is bad the treatment will get even worse. If the information is good the bad treatment will be reduced.

15) Most Americans would like to live in a world were pain, physical and mental abuse, were not effective interrogation techniques because there would be no incentive to use them.

16) Such preferences makes many Americans incredibly biased towards any information that would back up the idea that pain, physical and mental abuse, and the fear of such, are not effective interrogation techniques.

some of these guys, well at least Shape shifter, they PAY to be beaten and whipped- as I understand his posts he mainly objects to the governement providing the equivalent for free. he's against handouts.

[Penske_Account]

Originally posted by Hank Chinaski
some of these guys, well at least Shape shifter, they PAY to be beaten and whipped- as I understand his posts he mainly objects to the governement providing the equivalent for free. he's against handouts.

Ty serves his guests boxed wine, torture, yes????

[Hank Chinaski]

Originally posted by Penske_Account
Ty serves his guests boxed wine, torture, yes????

Can you imagine a dinner party at Ty's house?

• Guest: I think the new Woody Allen movie might be funny! Ty, have you seen it?
  
  Ty: No! And what is annoying is that we have had this discussion before -- and I have told you that you're wrong
  
  Other guest- trying to defuse the situation: excellant wine Ty! What year was it corrugated?

[sgtclub]

• PARIS (AP) - A leaked French intelligence document raises the possibility Osama bin Laden died of typhoid, but President Jacques Chirac said Saturday the report was "in no way whatsoever confirmed" and officials from Kabul to Washington expressed skepticism about its accuracy.
  
  There have been numerous reports over the years that bin Laden had been killed or that he was dangerously ill, but the al-Qaida leader has periodically released audiotapes appealing to followers and commenting on current news events.
  
  The regional French newspaper l'Est Republicain printed what it described as a copy of a confidential document from the DGSE intelligence service citing an uncorroborated report from a "usually reliable source" who said Saudi secret services were convinced that bin Laden had died.
  

http://apnews.myway.com/article/20060923/D8KAO3K00.html

[Sexual Harassment Panda]

Originally posted by sgtclub

• The regional French newspaper l'Est Republicain printed what it described as a copy of a confidential document from the DGSE intelligence service citing an uncorroborated report from a "usually reliable source" who said Saudi secret services were convinced that bin Laden had died.
  

Um, he's sick. My best friend's sister's boyfriend's brother's girlfriend heard from this guy who knows this kid who's going with the girl who saw Osama pass out at 31 Flavors last night. I guess it's pretty serious.

[SlaveNoMore]

Sexual Harassment Panda
Um, he's sick. My best friend's sister's boyfriend's brother's girlfriend heard from this guy who knows this kid who's going with the girl who saw Osama pass out at 31 Flavors last night. I guess it's pretty serious.

Well, the guy was routinely on dialysis. Not sure how easy it is to move a dialysis machine from cave to cave.

[Gattigap]

NYT:

• A stark assessment of terrorism trends by American intelligence agencies has found that the American invasion and occupation of Iraq has helped spawn a new generation of Islamic radicalism and that the overall terrorist threat has grown since the Sept. 11 attacks.
  
  The classified National Intelligence Estimate attributes a more direct role to the Iraq war in fueling radicalism than that presented either in recent White House documents or in a report released Wednesday by the House Intelligence Committee, according to several officials in Washington involved in preparing the assessment or who have read the final document.
  
  The intelligence estimate, completed in April, is the first formal appraisal of global terrorism by United States intelligence agencies since the Iraq war began, and represents a consensus view of the 16 disparate spy services inside government. Titled “Trends in Global Terrorism: Implications for the United States,’’ it asserts that Islamic radicalism, rather than being in retreat, has metastasized and spread across the globe.

Well, shit. Negroponte was supposed to be a fix for this America-hating nonsense, and then he goes and approves something like THIS? Flypaper, baby! Flypaper!

By posting such hateful stuff, clearly Negroponte has something to hide from the Administration. I think it's time to open a little can of Spanky 16 and see what ol' John really knows.

Gattigap

[Gattigap]

Originally posted by Hank Chinaski
huh? if 5% of the leads we get are true- you go boys!

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The above for the CIA torture guy? a day well spent protecting America.

And for the 95% of FBI and police resources locking down some Dairy Queen in Flint to within an inch of its life? Perhaps not as well spent, but that's OK. I'm sure we've got sufficient resources to get 'em on the good ones, too. You go, Hank!

[Hank Chinaski]

Originally posted by Gattigap
And for the 95% of FBI and police resources locking down some Dairy Queen in Flint to within an inch of its life? Perhaps not as well spent, but that's OK. I'm sure we've got sufficient resources to get 'em on the good ones, too. You go, Hank!

oh. that's right. you're the party of wanting 100% certain intelligence. that's why Clinton passed on killing Osama- he wasn't completely certainly in the house.

Numbskull. All tips and leads carry a high percetage of false hits. Real world.

[Gattigap]

Originally posted by Hank Chinaski
oh. that's right. you're the party of wanting 100% certain intelligence. that's why Clinton passed on killing Osama- he wasn't completely certainly in the house.

Numbskull. All tips and leads carry a high percetage of false hits. Real world.

Aww, Hank. Despite your hurtful words, I am with you. I am With. You. Like you said -- 5% positive rate is all we need. Let's go get 'em!

[SlaveNoMore]

Gattigap
NYT:

• A stark assessment of terrorism trends by American intelligence agencies has found that the American invasion and occupation of Iraq has helped spawn a new generation of Islamic radicalism and that the overall terrorist threat has grown since the Sept. 11 attacks.
  
  The classified National Intelligence Estimate attributes a more direct role to the Iraq war in fueling radicalism than that presented either in recent White House documents or in a report released Wednesday by the House Intelligence Committee, according to several officials in Washington involved in preparing the assessment or who have read the final document.

Given the NYT propensity to lie about all things Bush, I'll withhold judgement on this until someone who has actually read the thing can comment on it.

For the NYT to make such sweeping accusations based on the claims of "unnamed officials" - who also may not have read the thing - is ludicrous.

[Tables R Us]

The real and the fake:

Franken & Hillary:



Bush & ear licker:

[Spanky]

Originally posted by Gattigap
And for the 95% of FBI and police resources locking down some Dairy Queen in Flint to within an inch of its life? Perhaps not as well spent, but that's OK. I'm sure we've got sufficient resources to get 'em on the good ones, too. You go, Hank!

Where did the 95% statistic come from?

Besides the one Canadian, do you know of anyother time such information has lead to a problem. I don't recall reading about any Dairy Queens being shut down.

Since you didn't refute any of the points in my syllogism I assume you think my logic is unassailable.

[taxwonk]

Originally posted by Spanky
Since you didn't refute any of the points in my syllogism I assume you think my logic is unassailable.

I would certainly agree that debating the matter further with you is fruitless.

[Penske_Account]

Originally posted by taxwonk
I would certainly agree that debating the matter further with you is fruitless.

Translation: I [taxwonk] am wrong, Spanky is right, but as with many on the left I do not have the moral fortitude to admit as much except in some torturously opaque way.